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You are writing in an organization which openly calls for the extermination of Jewish people?
The end to the Jewish settler-ethnostate. They can participate in representative democracy with the rest of the Palestinians. Or are you trying to imply that anti-zionism is antisemitism?
You're literally trying to guilt trip me into voting for the person supporting an actual genocide
Secular representative democracy, right?
Would be an improvement over the settler ethnostates apartheid government.
Ah perfect, because that was the status quo of the Palestine Mandate - to govern Palestine via a bicameral legislature comprised of separate Muslim and Jewish houses. And I assume you know which side accepted this proposal and which side violently rejected it?
Yeah, because they were rejecting the settler-colony. How about zero settler states and 1 state for everyone that isn't an ethnostate?
This was pre-Israel. Partition was only considered because Arab Palestinians refused secular democracy. But as a student of history, you knew.that already.
Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here, is your position that ethnostates are good, or that US taxpayers are not complicit in genocide?
My point is that you claim to want secular democracy, and then you hold a double standard when it comes to Palestinian Arabs explicitly rejecting your solution. If you can convince Hamas to agree to secular unification then they will give you the Nobel Peace prize every day for the next 100 years. But this is not some big brain moment. Democratic unification has been tried. Democratic partition has been tried.
Sounds like you've talked yourself into supporting genocide. I support the people fighting to end the genocide with any means at their disposal.
You mean the side which chooses mass rape over secular democracy? You express support for secular democracy, so I can only infer your feelings on mass rape based on that.
lmao 'mass rapes' you sound like some newsmax grandpa
Like you, I agree that secular unification is the obvious solution to this conflict. However, I am unwilling to ignore the role that religious extremism has historically played in preventing that outcome. It actually saddens me to once again see leftists abandon their first principles in favor of brain dead revolutionary fan service.
Israel is absolutely an apartheid state which has brutalized Gaza far beyond what is necessary for security, retribution or deterrence. They should be condemned and sanctioned soundly for this. However, if you espouse support for secular unification, then you must also acknowledge that the Islamic opposition to Jewish co-governance is a major force preventing this outcome, and it has been that way since before the state of Israel has existed.
At this point I don't care about your concern trolling, excuses and hypotheticals when there's actual shit going down now. The US should really stop supporting Israel if they want any credibility in the rest of the world going forward.
"Excuses and Hypotheticals" being history of the conflict you didn't know about until now?
You are the one who proposed hypothetical unification.
Your position is that when the apartheid government ends, the barbaric savages who have been getting kept at bay by the glorious liberal "democracy" it has (for the right types of citizens who qualify) will take revenge in a way just as brutal and exterminationist as the zionist colony.
That's just chauvinism, and you're just repeating discredited hasbara and acting like a scholar which is fucking hilarious.
we have a real-world example of what happens when an apartheid government ends- was there a genocide of white people in south africa?
I am not making any statement which is not the formal position of Hamas. But you didn't state that you would write in the Palestinian Authority.
lol liberals rolling up to tone police left opposition when your literal position is "lets give the genocidal ethnostate unlimited weapons because it's full of hot white girls who're going to get mass raped by the brown hordes if we just stand by" + "don't forget to vote"
You have the same position when it comes to this as some of the most disgusting republicans I've known
You express preference for secular unification, a stance I have agreed with. I have not expressed any desire to arm Israel. That is all in your head.
good, do you feel upset that the biden government is rushing weapons there? You called me a right wing troll for not wanting to vote for genocide Joe (because of exactly this). Explain your logic.
If it is not incredibly obvious that Trump would do far worse than token support of Israel, then you are either not paying attention to the things he says and does, or you seek to intentionally downplay the things he says and does.
He would, first of all, continue to arm Israel. He would also move onto University campuses with feds to arrest people protesting the war. And he would use this as a premise to escalate tensions with Iran. He has stated all of these things many times. Passive support for Trump objectively and unambiguously accomplishes none of the things you profess to value.
If you want to repeat the mistakes of 2016 in letting the perfect be the enemy of the good, then I assume you either so privileged that you don't believe you will be affected by American fascism, or you are a troll. However, I apologize if you are just naive.
"passive support for trump" lmao
If you seriously think that the democrats are capable of standing between where we are now and fascism, one that's pretty naive too. I am telling you that we're already there- we're supporting the ethnostate ethnically cleansing. You're arguing that it could hypothetically be worse, I'm telling you it doesn't fucking matter at this point, I'm disgusted.
Right, so because of this attitude, people in Texas actually can't use period tracking apps, and people in Ohio are being arrested for having miscarriages. This is not a hypothetical. Doctors in Seattle are being subpoenaed by the Texas AG for providing gender affirming care. This didn't come out of nowhere. We have been yelling about these real, non hypothetical risks constantly. And now, if Trump wins, we know he will use the feds to extradite doctors across state lines. They have openly stated that they will use the executive branch to enforce this Christian nationalism. This is not a hypothetical.
If you are fine with that moral liability, then carry on.
As for me? I am a leftist who actually cares about protecting the vulnerable.
Maybe the democrats should stop doing evil shit if they want people to support them. It rules having libs (good cops) roll up to show me all the evil shit their friends (the bad cops) are going to do to us if we don't support them while they unalive every last brown person standing in the way of the settlers.
Also so much of this shit is happening under democrat governments anyways because they're fucking useless at getting anything done or protecting vulnerable people. They're literally cutting a deal on border security to get more weapons to a genocide
Right, it's very clear that you don't take the actual threat of this project 2025 shit seriously, because you are so incredibly privileged that you will allow your ideological purity blind you to the real world. And at the end of the day, you won't actually prevent any brown people from dying, and will likely make the situation far worse.
But that's fine because what you actually want to do is whine, not govern. Because whining is easy.
Maybe the Democrats should stop doing unpopular things like giving unlimited unconditional material and military support to a genocide.
Sounds like they're the ones not taking this threat seriously. The only plan seems to be to scold people who are disgusted by your actions.
Friend, if supporting Trump liberates Gaza I'll sell everything I own and dedicate my life to rebuilding the region with my own frail hands, and I will die happy for being wrong.
If it doesn't, I hope you will dedicate your life to seeking forgiveness at trans funerals for ignoring these alarms.
If we have a deal, perhaps we can agree to disagree and leave it at that.
I'm literally fucking trans, you have some supreme fucking nerve trying to guilt trip me when the primary fucking killer of Palestinian gay and trans people is the ongoing indiscriminate murder from occupation forces.
Democrats are the worst "allies" in human history.
And that won't stop if Trump is elected. The only difference will be that you and I will be up against the wall as well.
Also, Hamas definitely does not tolerate any LGBT lifestyles.
I don't have any confidence I'm not going against the wall under the fucking democrats the way things are already going.
Maybe you guys should stop arming the literal genocide, regardless of what it does for your election prospects.
US progressives are objectively the single most accomplished force for LGBTQ rights in the entire world. WTF are you smoking? If we are really back to to debating objective reality, then I'm back to calling you a troll.
Sincerely disagree. It's because of the horrific shit that the US does with an LGBT flag as the excuse that so many reactionaries and bigots around the world are empowered to persecute LGBT people under the guise of anti-imperialism.
I oppose the pinkwashing of empire.
What the actual fuck. So the US can't ever advance human rights because anti-western reactionaries will use it as reason to persecute LGBTQ communities?
We are done here.
You're the one using a supposed lack of support of LGBT 'rights' as some sort of excuse for collective punishment and genocide. Honestly idk how I managed to avoid throwing up reading some of your posts.
(I view human rights as pretty fucking important, but stop killing people first, fuck)
Yeah, yeah just write off another queer person for expressing wrongthink, go back to your echo chamber and cj about how great and progressive your ally is while they fill the mass graves and put some shitty suburbs over them for white people to live in.
Mask: off
Yeah yours fell off a long time ago, it's been nauseating