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Snapshot of Eurozone inflation falls to 5.5% in sharp contrast to UK. Economists put reason for divergence down to Brexit and Britain’s energy price guarantee.

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[-] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 23 points 1 year ago

Brexit is the gift that keeps on giving.

[-] noodle@feddit.uk 8 points 1 year ago

The government can only pretend external factors are entirely to blame for so long. As more and more evidence like this continues to pile up, it will become politically untenable. Eventually it'll just be the maddest of the mad still in the Brexit camp and the less devoted Brexiteers will want to disassociate.

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[-] emerty@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Did Austria, the Netherlands and Sweden brexit as well?

Edit. Why is it ok to compare UK to average of the Eurozone but not to the countries with high inflation? Double standards methinks

[-] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 19 points 1 year ago

Literally the first paragraph says “economists put it down to brexit”. But I’m sure you had enough of experts.

[-] emerty@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago

and Britain’s energy price guarantee

And you're ignoring the second half of the first paragraph?

Why?

[-] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago

Not ignoring it. Of course there are other factors. But brexit is definitely a factor. Therefore: Brexit, the gift that keeps on giving.

[-] emerty@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago

Economists said most of the reason for the divergence between the UK and the EU was down to the UK government’s energy price guarantee (EPG), which has capped the cost of gas and electricity bills to the equivalent of £2,500 a year for a typical household until July. In the eurozone there have not been similar caps fixing the price over a lengthy time period, meaning their inflation rates better reflect the recent global decline in wholesale gas and electricity prices.

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[-] Biohazard@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago

The experts said that inflation was temporary. Look how its going now.

[-] hellothere@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

Why are you excluding energy and food?

[-] Tweak@feddit.uk 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nevermind cherry picking 3 countries from the EU.

Also we're comparing statistics from two different organisations. The ONS was significantly defunded early on in the Tory government's rule under David Cameron, while other departments forming the checks and balances against Westminster were completely closed down - the clear message being that if the ONS didn't step into line with the government's narrative then their jobs would be next.

Meanwhile Eurostat exists to compare data between all EU countries, yet here we only see 3.

[-] emerty@feddit.uk 4 points 1 year ago

That's a conspiracy theory. Show me one respected statistician that casts any doubt on the ONS' output

They are the 3 European countries with high inflation, I'm guessing you don't know the reasons why? Hint, energy price caps and their implementation.

[-] Tweak@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago

It's not a theory to say that the ONS was defunded in the early 2010's and stopped tracking various metrics.

They are 3 European countries with high inflation, sure, but they're not 3 EU countries that the UK is regularly compared with. They have been cherry picked for this graph.

And furthermore as far as I can tell Eurostat don't do a CPI measurement that excludes energy, food, alcohol & tobacco. Which begs the question: why don't they present the actual data they used to make the graph?

The simple truth is that the UK lost its direct comparison to EU countries when we left in 2019. Which, incidentally, is just before the start of this graph.

[-] emerty@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Any changes to ONS methodology is published openly. Again, source please.

Core inflation excludes volatilities, that's literally the definition

And why not compare countries with high inflation?

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[-] Pinion@feddit.uk 8 points 1 year ago

... Sweden isn't in the Eurozone.

[-] emerty@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Neither is the UK... The problem with being in the eurozone is that member states have no central bank. Spain, for example, is unable to reduce interest rates despite their CPI being under the ECB target of 2% and unemployment over 13%

Instead, the ECB will probably be hiking rates more to quell inflation in other member states.

[-] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 10 points 1 year ago

This is a weird argument. The US, undoubtedly the world’s strongest economy, has a single central bank covering the Deep South and the coasts, which are also running at two different speeds. The job of Spain is to run a decent economy with no deficit, something they continually fail to do. Sure you can blame it on lack of central bank, but they’ve got other tools available for them as well.

[-] emerty@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So because the US has terribly performing states, that somehow justifies not being able to set your own monetary policy? That's a weird argument.

Maybe the reason Spain and all the other Southern European countries that struggle to run a decent economy is because the euro is set up to benefit the biggest manufacturers...

[-] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago

Oh don’t worry they were struggling to do well before the euro. You could argue that being a euro member saved some of them during the crash.

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[-] luffyuk@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Excluding the 4 things that affect poor people the most? Cool 👍

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