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I hope this is true so I can use it the next time my dad goes on some diatribe about how the democrats are ruining the country or how he couldn’t vote for any other than Trump in good faith.
If this is true, everyone who continues to support him is outright against our country.
You think this is gonna change a single MAGA mind? Your dad will just put his fingers in his ears and chant fake news.
My brother, a Canadian who is socially liberal, economically conservative, and virtually apolitical thinks the fake elector thing is bs.
He doesn't care if it did or didn't happen.
I am not saying this to contradict you. I am supportive of your point. This is unlikely to even remote reach most people in a meaningful way, let alone die hard Trump fans that somehow think he's a virile, brave, genius business person with big hands and an animal musk that Larry from Three's Company would envy.
🎵 Come and knock on our door... (Come and knock on our door) We've been waiting for you.... (We've been waiting for you)
Thanks for putting it in my head.
we can't just let it be words.... RELEASE THE KRAKEN!!
https://piped.video/watch?v=WfuTipCqs4A
It's just brain washing. They keep saying the Democrats are ruining the country and if you don't vote for trump you won't have a country. They say it over and over nonstop until people believe it. They say it on Fox News they say it on tweeter. And they encourage their peers to say it. It's insane that it works so easily. I'm appalled and amazed at the same time.
It's an easy thing to spread, because there's a kernel of truth to it. Democrats are ruining the country. They're just not doing it half as quickly as Republicans are.
You can see how administrations work, during republican the tax cuts for the rich get thr economy in shambles, then enters a democrat, and suddenly gets better, and repeat.
Things aren't getting better by any metric. All of the most harmful legislation, the Patriot act, the Iraq war resolution, the restrict act, etc, is always bipartisan. Democrats are absolutely ruining the country alongside the Republicans. They're just taking the scenic route.
idk why you are getting downvoted. Biden has done absolutely nothing to curb american fascism. more cops. He gave that weird anti-fascism speech last september and followed it up with exactly nothing structural. No election day holiday exec order, no universal mail in voting. No greedflation profit confiscation, price controls, cut pandemic medicaid, grew child poverty by 50%c blah blah. Our center-right neoliberal and far right fash parties are closer than they are apart, but we can't have that conversation as a country.
I'm being downvoted because I'm going against the narrative people have learned from fairy tales and movies, that if there's a bad guy there simply must be a good guy, and you have to be on one side or the other. God forbid people approach politics with an ounce of nuance instead of simplifying it to childlike levels and rooting for one side like it's a sports team. Your average DNC simp on the internet is just a MAGA with a different colored hat.
You're being downvoted because people disagree with you. Obviously you can spin that however you want to make yourself feel good, but that's the long and short of it. Personally I think you are the one who lacks nuance in your analysis.
bOtH sIdEs argument..... funny how the data shows that republicans get worse results than democrats, but yeah, bOtH sIdEs
So your take is since something is worse than the Democrats, that makes them good by default? You're a child.
Lol that is basically your projection on republicans hahahaha how ironic.
Also a fallacy, I've never said that, I just pointed to your idiotic abOtH sIdEs fallacy.
The fuck are you even talking about?
It's not a fallacy. They're both horrible. They're not the same, one is clearly worse, but they don't have to be equally bad to both be bad.
You are the idiot using the both sides fallacy. Not me.
Lol, and you keep with the same stupid argument.
Sure bud both sides are equally worse hahahahhahaa
I never said that lmao. It's like you don't even read posts before you decide for yourself what they ought to say
You said that both are terrible bud.
The issue is that democrats ate useless, but republicans always try to push their agenda of hate and remove people's rights..... but sure idiot bOtH sIdEs ArE tErRiBlE bud
They are both terrible. This isn't a Disney movie, the world isn't either good or bad. Someone can be bad even if someone else is worse.
Lol, but you are implying that they are equally bad, and I still not seeing the democrats trying to remove the rights of women or minorities.
Or even worse, try to put a traitor in the bailouts of the presidency. When thst happens, let me know.
Then it shouldn't be hard for you to find an example of me doing that and quote it here
Can you do rhe same arright, quite ironic.
Doom! Both sides are bad!
So who should we vote for?
Republicans or a third party that helps Republicans, no doubt.
If you want to vote for a Republican I can't stop you
There's a kernel of attempt at future genocide in it, not truth
So you believe the Democrats are actually on our side and want what's best for everyone?
That party isn't even particularly consistent given how many different types of people are in it. What I can tell you is the genuinely monstrous people are drawn to the Republican party because they're actively welcomed there.
That's a pretty long winded way to say "no, I do not believe they're good people who care about me".
Can you think of anything positive to say about them that doesn't involve comparing them to Republicans? I can't.
Can you define good without the definition comparing to bad?
Yes. Satisfactory, desirable, moral. If you need to compare a concept to it's antonym to define it, then you don't really understand the concept.
Oh you sweet summer child
Bro, you dodged his question. He answered yours.
So how about instead of brushing him off with an insult, you actually pony up some good things you think democrats are doing that doesn't just boil down to "well republicans would have done it worse"
Frankly, I'm on the side of voting democrats with the exact reasoning that Republicans will steer us into fascism. But I wouldn't go so far as to say that they're doing good, they just aren't doing as much bad.
I can't blame people who are disappointed with democrats as a whole, and I think it's a reach to unironically take your position of voting for them because you think they have good policies.
Infrastructure expansion like trains, investing in education, healthcare plans, environmental programs, etc.
But of course you already know of all these so why do you need to ask the question?
(I'm not even from USA myself, but your Republicans have such deranged policies that it spills over to us in impacts on trade, etc)
We'll see. Congress doesn't like the president spending money without their explicit approval. At this stage of planning, it's little more than grandstanding by the president.
See above. Congress undid Biden's first attempt at debt relief. It's still unclear if the second attempt will pan out. Cool if it does though. Still an if.
The ACA really only pays out for people far enough below the poverty line that they basically don't have income. My wife and I make $50k/year. Not even enough to own a house here. I still shell out $600/month for basic healthcare for two, with a $1000 deductible we each have to pay before the insurance even starts covering costs. And that's considered a good plan. Deductibles can legally be as high as $10,000 per person before insurance starts paying anything.
The ACA isn't exactly a shining achievement for democrats.
I'll give you that one. My state is building and opening the largest carbon capture facility in the world so far, because of democratic policy.
Etcetera is what people say when they run out of examples. By my count you've got 1 (one) example of good that democrats have done that has actually materialized and isn't in jeopardy of failing as soon as someone actually has to approve the funding. Most democratic policies die in congress.
No need to be an asshole, I'm just here demonstrating for you that the broad strokes you're painting are not even close to the actual situation.
I'm with you on this one. Republicans are deranged in general. But it's abundantly clear that you do not live here. Democrats had 3 years to do something constructive, and they mostly haven't even managed to undo the damage Trump has done, let alone enact policies that benefit the majority of Americans.
In fact, democrats lost a major civil rights battle during their tenure (Roe v Wade) without even putting up a fight. I absolutely cannot blame democrat voters for being disappointed.
I can define irony too, it's when a guy who believes that one of the political parties in this country are good guys who are on his side implies that you're naive.
If you click the article, you can hear recordings of this happening and read the emails where they plan it.
It's definitely true. Clear, unambiguous language is used throughout all evidence.
Audio recordings don’t mean shit to these fucks. They’ll just grab it by the pussy and toss it into their basket of deplorables where some, I assume, are good. The whole thing will blow over by Easter.
That was the case even before this news.
Your dad is a total loss, bruv. Sorry - that’s just how it is.