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Haley declines to say slavery was cause of Civil War
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I don't see how dead naming is cool simply because it will hurt her polling with racists.
Edit: Ok, explain the joke. Why is the birtherism of saying "Barrack HUSSEIN Obama" funny on our side? Why should we respect Caitlin Jenner's chosen name but not Nikki's? If it's not a joke, that is, you think it's a genuinely good idea for news outlets to refer to her this way, why?
So from personal experience, I learned Obama's middle name from the mouths' of racists, I learned Biden's middle name from the mouths' toxic masculine chauvinists, and I only hear Jenner's deadname from bigots. I don't like playing the "true name" game.
Edit 2: Ok downvoters, you've convinced me that it is ok to stress politicians' birth names in order to show disagreement. Can you now please provide a list of white politicians whose birth names we should use in order to show we do not support them? I guess we can just put their names in parentheses or something if that is easier.
It's a call out to all the bills republicans are passing to require use of birth names so people like Rafael Cruze and Nimarata Hailey can benefit as well.
Are you seriously in favor of the bills? Why are you trying to enforce them? I vote against racist proposals whenever I can. I certainly don't try to enforce ones that are not even effect.
It's calling out hypocrisy, not support. It's also bringing attention to how short sighted the GOPs plans are. If they support bills that hurt themselves in unintentional ways, how can we trust them to pass bills that work in their intended manner?
Does pointing out that Trump has no idea about Christianity bothered these people? At least when you do that, it’s not some attack via a racism Trojan horse.
Hypocrisy does not matter to the right. It does matter to my reflection. Using her “real name” is using racism as a weapon. I don’t care if it is indirect or that it only hurts racist.
(This post is self-plagiarized from elsewhere in this thread.)
Dude she is literally cosplaying a white woman.
Still has Barrack Hussein Obama vibes. What point are we making here?
Like yeah, she's a race traitor cosplaying a white woman, but surely we have better points to make than hoping her base is racist enough to hate her based on a vaguely foreign name, which is not really at all a secret. meh.
Edit: Plenty of people change their names to more Americanized versions. This is probably the least egregious thing she has ever done... This is a trivial point at best and hypocritical at worst
Don't blame me I voted for Rachel Dolezal
Is a trans woman a man cosplaying a woman? If you doubt her sincerity that's a fair argument towards her being generally untrustworthy, but I don't think that's what most people mean when they say stuff like this. It's just bigotry of another kind. She always struck me as generally perceiving herself as a white american woman. Who gets to decide who is brown but the person themselves? Am I brown because I'm Greek? I have naturally darker skin than some who identify as black or brown but I've never felt anything other than white.
I dont think transgender should be part of this conversation, people can do whatever they want its their body their right.
I would put "ted" cruz into this same boat if you are in politics and are running for office where your constituency cant handle a person of color if they knew???
Maybe cosplay is not the right word, what would you call it?
This whole conversation started over Nikki vs Nimarata. Why can that logic not be extended to someone's name, whether it's this, someone experiencing gender dysphoria, or someone who doesn't like to be called Matt because their name is Matthew?
All politicians at this level are products of marketing consultants. Biden is cosplaying as a younger person with his lifts and fillers. Trump is cosplaying as a rich guy. Obama cosplayed a progressive etc. Clinton failed cosplaying as a likable normal human person.
So you're gatekeeping who can act white? Please tell me how you're not here, because I'm having a hard time seeing this as anything but controlling how she should act due to her race and that's not ok. What she said (or didn't say) is bad on its own, but bringing her race into it just unnecessarily muddies the waters
Edit: everyone is happy to downvote, but nobody wants to say why she can't act like a white American woman (including using a name that better matches that profile) because she's born to Indian parents 🤷♂️
I would agree with you actually, its her racist constituency that would not vote for her unless she portrayed herself as a white woman that is the issue.
I also agree that skin color / race is subjective and does muddy the water.
Yeah, yewb. Let's not let people forget who she really is, an Indian! I'm sorry lady, did you want to get ahead in conservative politics? Well, you should have thought of that before you became an Indian.
Do you not hear yourselves?
If she feels that immigrants should take pains to assimilate, I will disagree with her points, but not her identity.
I get it but whataboutism says: what if it was a white woman pretending to be African American to sway brown voters?
Then, I would use their name. Is this a gotcha?
Pretending of any kind should be shamed, but just because a person grew up as a minority in their own community shouldn't preclude them from identifying with the plights and cultures of said community.
Basically what I'm saying is skin color shouldn't matter, experience and honesty should.
It's not a dead name, she's using her middle name to narrow her proximity to being white.
Are you saying that the paper should seriously call her by that name or that it is a joke about her name?
She's cosplaying a white woman for acceptance.
I know who she is. I want to know if I am responding to a serious proposal or a joke. Because the thing is, the "joke" is hard to distinguish from a call to action. And therein lies the problem.
I neither proposed anything or suggested acall to action, I was pointing out that she's a hypocritical cunt
I am discussing the comment:
I took your comment as a defense of that comment. Are you defending it as a joke or as a call to action?
HAHAHAHA!
Yeah this name calling stuff is cringe and shows how Americans have the maturity of 12 year olds. "His name is Donald Drumpf! He has a dumb name guys! HUSSEIN Obama he's a Muslim!! NIKKI IS INDIAN SHES AN INDIAN HER NAME IS ACTUALLY INDIAN!"
I've never understood it either. At this point I don't care which side we swing to, we should just be consistent. People either should or should not be able to dictate their own identities. We can't play the "you're only allowed to dictate your own identity if you vote blue" game if we want anyone to take our arguments seriously.
People who deny rights to others don't deserve to have that right for themselves. Everyone else deserves the right to define their own identity, but those assholes have waived that right.