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Authorized Fetch Circumvented by Alt-Right Developers
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this post was submitted on 26 Dec 2023
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Repeat after me: anything I write on the internet should be treated as public information. If I want to keep any conversation private, I will not post it in a public website.
I agree with you, however there are issues with not just privacy but also authenticity. I should be able to post as me, even in public, and have a way to prove it. Nobody else should be posting information as me, if that makes sense.
For that, we should start bringing our own private keys to the server, instead of trusting the server to control everything.
And if we start doing that, pretty soon we will end up asking ourselves why do we need the server in the first place, and we will evolve to something like what nostr is doing.
I'm all for it.
Giving places for cryptobros to wank without being pointed at and laughed at by their betters?
No. You are thinking of Discord.
I'm pretty sure that 99.44% of nostr is cryptobros.
My friend, you suck at trolling. Can you just let it go?
When I see nostr users that number more than, say, six who aren't also cryptobros, I'll drop the nostr disrespect. Until then ... ๐คทโโ๏ธ
You are doing nothing but a strawman. Lemmy is developed by shit-for-brains tankies, yet there is no denying that their work has brought progress to the distributed web.
Same thing for nostr. Whether you like it or not, nostr "cryptobros" have shown a bunch of things that need improvement on the Fediverse and they are backing their words with actions and working code. You on the other hand have nothing but smug, pretentious bullshit to throw around.
Again, when you can show me a cryptobro concentration lower than 99.44%, I'll take nostr seriously. And when you can show it not turning into a Hellhole worse than Xhitter and Farcebook combined because of the very philosophy underpinning it, then I'll think it's actually worth looking at. (Hint: this is not possible.)
Until then I'll call it what it is: a place for cryptobros to wank to their faux-libertarian fantasies.
Nostr is for everyone.
And yet has overwhelmingly cryptobros.
Do you realize that you are fighting against an open Internet?
I am mocking cryptobro fantasies and their favoured lines of communication.
Not really, you're saying if people you dislike are associated with something then you automatically write it off without understanding it. That's self mockery.
Whatever you say, child. Buh-bye.
Sure, but that's already solved on the fediverse by using HTTP Signatures and isn't related to Authorized Fetch.
I meant to say generally, for folks that might read this comment and think problems surrounding the platform and security are solved.
Clear sign every post using a third-party application. Make your public keys known far and wide. Authenticity solved.
And now we're dealing with key management instead
You always need key management if you have decentralized authentication.
You always need key management if you have decentralized authentication.
To add a bit of important nuance to this idea (particularly how this argument comes up with regards to threads). This does not apply to legal rights over your content. That is to say, of course you should treat any information you put out there as out of your control with regards to access but if somebody tries to claim legal rights over your content they are probably breaking the law.
Right. Publicly available does not mean in public domain. But the issue here is not of copyright, but merely of gated access.
Totally. I'm just trying to bring it up whenever I see folks having this discussion because some people don't seem to make the distinction. Worries me that some are so willing to cede that big social will illegally hoover up our data and there's nothing we can do about it.
anything I write on the internet should be treated as my private information. If I want to keep any conversation private, I will still post it in a public website.
EDIT: I'm so sorry that my stupid comment offended some people. Always forget how special some people can be on this website. Once again I'm sorry for my lack of better judgement.
Wow, why are you so triggered just because some people didn't think you were funny?
About as triggered as those who downvoted me.
No, you're right. Everyone who downvoted probably also went on an angry tirade first, but they just didn't type it out. Totally the same. ๐
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He thought he was funny, he repeated what the above poster said to repeat.
I don't think your comment was offensive per se. It was just ridiculously naive. If we are trying to build practical tools, they have to fit how things work in the real world, not how they work in anybody's dreams. If you want to have private conversations on a public website, use encryption.
Seriously. Bobthenazi could just go to an aligned server and make an account Bobthenotzi and boom -- perfectly able to follow whoever he wants.
One more reason to argue that we should drop the idea of "aligned" servers and that we are moving to a future where it is better to charge (small) amounts from everyone instead of depending on (large) donations from a few.
Ideally, a distributed fediverse wouldn't need much in terms of donations because it's a bunch of small instances instead of a few huge ones.
Not the point. The point that instances that are open for everyone will be open for bad actors as well.
If the mere act of signing up to an instance requires a small payment, you are automatically preventing the absolute majority of spammers, "spray and pray" scammers and channer trolls.