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I don't wish to disparage people's spiritual beliefs, but I'm sorry nobody should have to go around wearing anything like this, no matter what faith you come from. You should have the freedom to EXIST as yourself and show who you are. This niqab stuff is abuse.
I do wish to disparage people’s spiritual beliefs, so I’ll just say that religion is the greatest evil ever created by humankind.
So you're telling me that killing hundreds of thousands of people maybe even millions over the years in the name of some character which no one has any physical evidence exists and the people that follow along subconsciously know it's fake however they are too afraid of not having some fictional guiding light is bad????? You're wrong, Jesus saves!!!¡¡!¡!!! /s
IMO religion shouldn't exist in 21st Century.
We have machines going beyond solar system, scientific evidence that earth revolves around Sun , ability to interact with people on the other side of globe instantly and more.......
None of these things have religion ever predicted. And sometimes even being grossly wrong.
Modern society could not have formed without religion. So yeah, it’s hell.
What matters is that they can't get education and economic independence, who gives a shit about dress codes
As someone with Muslim family, they will tell you that it is the women's choice. That they prefer to cover themselves from head to toe, even in blistering heat. The actual choice is to bite their tongue and wear it, or choose to deal with shame, humiliation, mockery, and often times much worse.
The rest of history has shown that women don't choose that kind of clothing when they have free will.
Precisely. Nobody should be forced to wear clothing in any faith that they don't want to.
Please don’t be ignorant
“The authors also concluded that the typical Bedouin costume has the same effects whether it is black or white. The black color does absorb more heat, but it does not reach the skin, so the color of the fabric is not important. The thickness of the fabric of these garments also favors better absorption of temperature, preventing it from reaching the skin.”
The Bedouin lesson: A scientific study proves robes are the best garment to wear in the desert heat
You have your culture, they have theirs. You should be more concerned with US and NATO war crimes, rather than policing the culture of people who just want to be left alone.
The West is welcome [not really] to try spending 2.4 trillion dollars and 20 years in Afghanistan again. Maybe one more bomb is all it takes to make them westernize... ;)
Your entire post and comment history is political. You should get a hobby.
Maybe their hobby is politics.
!arabicmusic@lemmy.ml is political?
!arabianpaganism@lemmy.ml is political?
They mean not white when they say political
I'm not sure I follow your logic?
Just look at how controversial this post was https://lemmy.ml/post/9629138
The only reason it got downvoted was because it was a 5G speed demo in Saudi Arabia. But I hold Lemmy is still better than Reddit. In Reddit you couldn’t post anything about any Arab or Muslim country without the comment section being toxic.
Did you consider the fact that it's useless content that probably breaks Rule #2 on that community?
Regarding your other hobbies, those posts don't federate to my instance, so I'm sorry I didn't see you have an interest in music and religion. If I may correct my initial statement from "Your entire" to "90% of".
I didn’t choose for Palestine to be colonized. I didn’t choose for there to be US troops and bases in my country.
I would rather talk about Kenafah and Debke. But here we are. In between being colonized and bombed.
What does that have to do with 5G?
Dooogg whiisstlleeesss!!
I didn’t realize all 2 billion of them lived in Afghanistan
You are such a judgmental and bigoted fellow. Enjoy your enlightened democracy.
And you don’t have HSR or free healthcare. I finished university like most Saudis with money saved. In Saudi Arabia the university pays you, I’d rather have this than a false choice between 99% Hitler and 100% Hitler. Go beg your government for student loan forgiveness.
"Don't concern yourself with (issue), concern yourself with (another issue)."
Afghanistan could have been further developed by now if the US didn't occupy it for 20 years.
Progress is happening regardless. Afghanistan now for example has local photovoltaic solar panel production.
I'm not going to stop caring about women because Afghanistan has solar panels. To me that's absurd.
To me it is absurd that western countries don't care for their own people but pretend to care about people half way across the world. It is all a scam to sell wars to the people and you fell for it. If you want Afghanistan to develop and progress leave it alone. You tried establishing a puppet state and it collapsed immediately, count your losses and move on.
Why do you assume I don't care for my own people?
I'm sorry but I just find it hard to not care about the despicable treatment of women there. It's messed up. Me not caring about the women there is not going to benefit them.
I tried?
The degrading conditions and quality of life in most western countries suggest that the people don't care.
If your care is sincere there are ways to help other than building up a narrative for sanctions or invasions. There was a point in time when Saudi Arabia was rural and conservative, with time it has developed, and now females outperform males in academic achievement. For another example, look at nearby Iran which has an urban and educated population.
Do you know anything about material and socioeconomic conditions? Afghanistan haven't had a moment of political stability, and was never given a chance.
Western states are democracies aren't they? Their actions reflect the will of the people. Though you may be from the countries that didn't join the US-led invasion.
We don’t really want your values or morals. I don’t care about hijab, but the West has nothing of value to offer Muslim women.
Even as a Saudi I feel it is not my place to police Afghans. Their country, their business. At least they aren’t sending bastard soldiers to invade other countries.
Muslim women do tend to thrive outside of Muslim countries, so I'd say the West has quite a bit to offer them.
You are welcome to lose again.
I’ll share a few about Saudi Arabia:
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/saudi-arabia/2023/08/10/Saudi-women-making-great-strides-in-education-employment-health-GASTAT
https://www.newarab.com/news/greater-abortion-access-saudi-arabia-us-states
Yeah, the US has moved backwards pretty quickly regarding women's reproductive rights.
Do women in Saudi Arabia need male permission to have an abortion though? Because that'd be a strike against them. As well, I don't imagine sex outside of marriage is allowed...
Yes
Not really, because there's no reason for a married couple to want an abortion, birth control is legal and a woman can choose not to get pregnant. Children are guaranteed welfare, including healthcare, in Saudi Arabia.
No it isn't.
I guess it's more male access to a woman's abortion...I don't think that counts. That's worse than the US.
Birth control can fail, so it's not necessarily a "choice" to get pregnant or not.
And no sex outside marriage just sounds dystopian...
Children born out of wedlock with no guarantee to housing or healthcare or financial aid, not even a free amublance for their birthing mother, is more dystopian to me
Yeah, that's pretty dystopian too.
I guess we can agree that both the US and Saudi Arabia have dystopian aspects and treat women poorly? Also the US treats children poorly?
Saudi Arabia is not perfect but it’s a reflection of the culture. Though we do have stricter marriage age laws with a minimum age of 18.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Rights_of_the_Child
People's spiritual belief should be limited to themselves, the moment you enforce your religious rules on anyone else it's no longer OK and should be disparaged. Everyone should have the freedom to dress as a beekeeper, no one should have the obligation to do so.