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This is a lose-lose. If this is shot down, it’s just another case of presidents (and former presidents) being above the law. If this goes through, the republican states will use it against democratic candidates.
edit: If you don't think republican states would abuse this, let me remind you that republicans are still trying to impeach Biden just to retaliate for the Trump impeachments.
Trump isnt the president dawg.
What the heck is Lemmy.zip (asking you in reference to the guy you're rebutting, I've come across nothing but schizos from this particular instance...
Could be self hosted - be my guess.
Its terrifying LOL. I haven't run into a single reasonable person under their banner
Looks like I'll be doing a good old blockerino! Thanks for the heads up.
Edit - oh God I just visited, what a shit hole
Can I have the link please?
Also ya. And it literally sounds like those virus sites we were warned about. Zip is a file type so its super fucking weird right out the gate
I just clicked the link you posted in my previous comment and it took me to the home page for that, then look at local.
However, may have misspoke, upon further digging, it looks pretty mundane. When I visited it was showing me other instances and there were some things about Epstein and the war in Gaza and the Ukraine. I made an unfair judgement.
So. Make that what you will. There be crazy folk everywhere tho. Not to say op is crazy, just that I disagree with their take on this.
Pedantic and besides the point. No one is saying Trump is the president
Lol. A bunch of folks, including Donald Trump, are saying exactly that. It's part of the reason we're even having this conversation.
Effectively he's asking the Supreme Court to decide whether any illegal actions a President takes while in office cannot be prosecuted after the fact. They could do anything they want while in office, and as long as Congress doesn't decide to Impeach and remove them from office, it's all okay. Meaning the President would effectively be above the law.
THAT'S why Trump doesn't want them to even think about it, as partisan as the court is, they clearly cannot rule that way. A big part of the Republican messaging is being tough on crime and no one is immune, while making sure those with money are. That means keeping up some appearances.
However, this is the chance for him to be removed from the board, and by a Court that is clearly not aligned with is political opponent. He can't just say it's the Biden DOJ going after him when it's a clear Republican majority Supreme Court making the decision. If they rule he's not immune, he gets the full federal charge dicking he is desperately trying to avoid, and he gets to sit in a jail cell complaining to only his most extreme sycophants while the rest of the country moves on to other politicians. The MAGAts will find someone new to latch onto instead, just like they've always done, but the guy that constantly says the quiet part out loud without gaining any sort of advantage, fucking up plans the party has been laying for over 40 years gets removed from play. The party can go back to laying their plans in the shadows without a dumbass talking about them all the time trying to brag about something he knows.
Oh my, it absolutely does not. That went 100% out the window 5 years ago. Republicans absolutely do not live in any part of that world anymore
You're just going to take everything I type literally huh. 1) I'm not saying Trump is the president and 2) the court decision is a lose-lose. Glad I could clear that up for you
If you can’t say what you mean, say nothing at all.
People being willfully obtuse just to score points in an argument is a bit pathetic. And I mean that.
repeat that into a mirror, and we may all accomplish something today.
guess you didn’t really mean this, then…
if you can’t say what you mean, say nothing at all.
Why should a court of law give a shit what Republicans will or won't do in retaliation for some perceived sleight?
Maybe they shouldn't, but it's still a tough situation politically.
Maybe they shouldn't?! You realize you're arguing for the law to be applied depending on who it benefits politically, don't you?
You're strawmanning me pretty hard (hopefully unintentionally). I'm not arguing for the courts to do anything; my point was that there will be negative consequences no matter what they do.
Your comment was literally arguing exactly that.
I'm going to be overly verbose with you since you appreciate specificity so much.
Edward Teach's comment:
Edward is implying that the court should ignore the political repercussions of their decision (i.e., "why should [they] care").
My response:
I am here acknowledging the salience of his point while also being intentionally non-committal. ("Maybe they shouldn't [care about the consequences]".) Maybe Edward is right that the supreme court should ignore the political fallout. I then return to my original point that it is a tough situation either way.
Edward Teach's comment:
Here he is straw manning me because he read too much into my original comment. I never argued that the court should or shouldn't do anything, only that there will be negative consequences either way. Edward assumed that the purpose behind my comment was to say the supreme court should rule in favor of Trump. This is not the case.
☝️this is you arguing whether the court should or shouldn’t do something.
you can be verbose or succinct; it changes nothing other than the time amount of you waste.
Now you're just repeating yourself. You didn't even read the comment, did you? You're right, this is a waste of time.
because I’m right
I did. the part of my comment you didn’t read is that it changes nothing.
that’s why I said it
Only if the Supreme Court, whose job it is to actually determine what is lawful according US Constitution (and then other federal law and precedent) decide they are not going to do their jobs anymore.
The whole reason Supreme Court justices have appointment for life is so that their decisions can't be used against them by those in power to punish for a ruling those in power don't like. Supremes have almost "plot armor" in this regard. What do they have to fear from making a ruling that republicans don't like?
Their billionaire sugar daddies will dump them?
Allowing our justice system to operate based on perceived political consequences seems like a terrible idea. Republicans will continue to be seditious trash regardless, holding one of them accountable for crimes they committed won't change that. Their moves should not even factor into what the justice department/courts does or doesn't do.
I think people are assuming that I'm recommending a course of action when my entire point is that either scenario will have negative consequences. That being said, I agree with everything you said here.
If not that, then people are confused about what your point was other than to generally be negative.
Democrats' guiding principle is "but what might Republicans do?" Context doesn't change that.
I don't see this as a special concern. They're going to do this no matter what.
This has nothing to do with the state cases, this is Federal & dealing with the Insurrection.
If a democratic former president incites an Insurrection &/or steals top secret documents & gives them to our enemies I hope they get prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law as well.
Isn't this assuming the republicans are operating in good faith? They aren't. They care more about what they can get away with than whether it's justified. I'm sure republican states could find other reasons to take Biden off of the ballet come the next election. There seem to be a lot more legal grey areas than we were aware of. (For example, before January 6th, who knew that the vice president could potentially steal an election?)
Treason & Insurrection are literally the only way a US citizen over the age of 35 can be removed from a federal ballot in the USA.
I wouldn't put it past them to label some Hunter Biden conspiracy theory bs "treason".
That said, I concede the point that it may not be as easy as I was implying. Or at least I hope its not that easy. Our democracy is looking fragile these days.
This is the exact reason why Treason is defined in the Constitution & has a very, very narrow definition.
I'm willing to be proven wrong since I'm no expert on constitutional law, but treason is constituted by: "levying War against [the United States], or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort." You're right that the first part is very specific, but that second part about helping the enemies of the republic could be abused.
So what you're saying is, they'll be insufferable assholes no matter what we do, and we should see to it that a criminal repays society for his crimes.