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Dear Lemmy, why Star Trek??
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Star Trek just kinda kicks ass.
What, you haven't seen Deep Space Nine?? Cmon what're you doing? Fix that!
It kicked ass 20 years ago. Now? Not so much.
If you think science fiction is laser fights in space, this opinion makes sense. If you like characters and setting, it's probably some of the best sci fi on TV.
I liked the stories and setting more back in the day. At the very least because I was a kid back then. I can not watch TNG now, so I have different standards now, which other variants also do not reach.
the thing is, most of the themes/story lines in star trek are about as timeless as the series. there are no 'dated' story lines (tropes, definitely) ... in fact many of the moral dilemmas discussed are absolutely still relevant today
200 years of evolution and we're still learning the same lesson 😤
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I want to disagree, but the reality is that most TV shows from the 90s and before have aged pretty poorly (certainly way worse than movies of the same age have). There are a few reasons for this, but I think the big three are: TV used to be lower budget and lower prestige (going from being a movie actor to a TV actor was shameful), TV had to be episodic due to the nature of broadcast (this improved once TiVo entered the scene, but it was streaming that really made multi-episode storytelling possible), TV episodes were extremely exact in their length (had to stick to the broadcast schedule, which sometimes caused major pacing problems).
Sci-fi TV especially seems to have aged terribly. Part of that is it used to be a niche genre that did not get the resources it needed to not come off at least a little campy, but I suspect the biggest issue is that of audience: shows like Star Trek or X-Files tried to have mass appeal in a way that TV nowadays doesn't need to. I think Firefly's (eventual) success really helped the genre turn a corner, and subsequent hits like BSG showed that "serious" sci-fi was feasible on the TV model. These two series also really ratcheted up viewer expectations for what "good" sci-fi TV should be.
I appreciate the classics like TNG for keeping certain franchises alive and the genre as a whole stumbling along until it could really hit its stride in the '00s, and I do think the shows have some watch value even today, but honestly most of it is rooted in nostalgia and historic importance.
90s was the breakout time for TV. Before that was sketchy. Go watch Cheers knowing that was the most popular show on TV.
Agreed, the 90s marked a major improvement (and expansion, thanks to cable) in television compared to prior decades. Children's television in particular flourished, especially educational programs. I'd consider it a stepping-stone era, however, as like I said things improved substantially again in the following decade.
Well everything improves over time, but the 90s is when TV turned into something good. You were discussing about aging poorly, but it was the 80s that aged poorly because of everything you said about budget, not attracting the top actors, writers, etc. That all changed in the 90s.
Uh-huh... Like episode 5x20, "Ferengi Love Songs" ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
DS9 still holds up today. I don't think I will ever reach a point in my life where "In the Pale Moonlight" isn't some of the best television ever made.
I am an original ST zealot, but am gearing up for a DS9 viewing.
Am hopeful that I will like it given the opinions I've seen.
The first two seasons are a bit slow, but still great character building. By the third season, they've become a family, and by the fourth season, you're watching some of the best TV ever made.
I've just watched TNG for the first time, and going through DS9 now. It still kicks ass.
Sure, it looks dated, and pre-beard TNG was rough, but I can absolutely see why trekkies are so deeply obsessed with it.
Wait until you get to the last season. Masterpiece.
captain hawk will always kick ass.