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Is there a legal argument being made that the oath of office is not a binding agreement?
I feel like that would lose in court….
Trump is arguing that he swore an oath to "preserve, protect, and defend" the constitution, not to "support" it.
Which is hilarious since those words describe the act of supporting it
His entire existence is a fucking meme
Bon chance with that argument….
It’s only one of Trump’s primary defenses for Jan 6th lately. Where have you been?
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-oath-support-constitution-colorado-insurrection-1847482
That didn’t hold water it seems: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/19/us/politics/trump-colorado-ballot-14th-amendment.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
So it’s a non issue.
oof, finally good news on that front!
Let’s see how long it lasts. Hopefully that’s the end of the Colorado battle but you never know. The best thing that could happen is him appealing to the US Supreme Court and they affirm it, making it a national decision.
Still absurd that it was even an argument in the first place. The attorneys should be penalized for wasting time with stupidity.
True enough. Wish I had confidence in the Supreme Court.
Oaths are generally not legally binding. For instance, you can not swear to tell the truth in court and perjury is still a thing. The swearing in is just a formality.
Oaths are, as always, dependent upon the character of the person taking them and social consequences about breaking them.
Is there case law on that? I’m not aware of anyone that testifies before a court without being sworn in?
What I'm saying is not that you can opt not to swear in, but that there are ways to commit perjury even if you have not.
In my experience, anyone who takes the stand is sworn in, it's just a formality that is not the reason for perjury.
Sort of an "all dogs have 4 legs but not everything with 4 legs is a dog" thing.
I should hold off on posting until I make more sense
Edit: actually I'm full of shit, and you generally get charged with something lesser than perjury if you're not under oath.
Well that's it for me for a while lol
This site disagrees with you:
https://www.lawinfo.com/resources/criminal-defense/the-truth-about-perjury.html#:~:text=Only%20witnesses%20who%20make%20false,the%20level%20of%20perjury%20charges.
Yeah I edited that in. Did not realize it was a lesser charge. Time to sit the next few plays out.
Hadn’t thought about this. If you refuse to swear an oath in court, can they find you in contempt? Or they just like ok, well we tried, let’s move on.
Pretty sure refusal would result in a contempt charge, because it turns out it is a major factor in actually charging you with perjury
So then not what you said earlier?
Yes, hence my edit.