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[-] Crow@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

The damn imperial system and its weird 1/16 measurements. Why do you people hate 10 step counting?

[-] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 36 points 1 year ago

You actually can't be mad about this one. This is effectively binary which you use all the time without knowing it. And even worse, proper SI notation has jacked up binary hardcore.

1, 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, 1/32... You won't find a 1/12 or some other number.

[-] Resol@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Maybe that's why I couldn't tell if a gigabyte has 1000 megabytes or 1024. People keep telling me one or the other. Others keep telling me that there's 1024 mebibytes in 1 gibibyte, but those names absolutely suck.

[-] Rinox@feddit.it 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Mega is 10^6 , Mebi is 2^20 aka 1024^2 bytes

Edit:

The confusion comes from the fact that Microsoft in Windows calls 1024 bytes a kilobyte, which makes no sense whatsoever, since that word has a meaning and that ain't it.

When MS first launched MS-DOS maybe made sense (maybe), but right now it's only creating confusion. Calling kilobyte a kibibyte is around a 2% error, but with terabyte it's more than 9%, which is a pretty big deal when you buy a 1TB disk and only shows up as 900 and something GB

[-] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 8 points 1 year ago

The confusion comes from the fact that Microsoft in Windows calls 1024 bytes a kilobyte

And storage... and networking... This isn't actually a MS spawned problem, and it existed in media before MS put their hands in it. But it is probably fair to say that MS emboldened storage and networking companies to not change their stance. It doesn't help that it's in their benefit as they're providing actually less product because of the confusion.

[-] Rinox@feddit.it 2 points 1 year ago

Afaik for storage it's exactly what it says on the tin: a 1GB drive is exactly 1,000,000,000 Bytes. Then you put it in the computer and Windows, who thinks that 1GB = 1,073,741,824 Bytes says, well that's a 0.93 GB drive, aka 930MB. So you start asking yourself where those 70MB went, while in reality windows is telling you that the drive is 930MiB, which is equal to 1GB.

As for networking, last I checked we use Megabits and Gigabits for that, which are a whole different can of worms and use a small b instead of a big B. 8 Mb = 1 MB

I've never seen anyone use Mebibit, if it exists, which I'm not sure it does.

And as for benefit, I'm not sure whose benefit it is to create this confusion. In my opinion, no one's, as the drive makers get accused of false marketing while at the same time Windows gets accused of being a broken OS (fair)

[-] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Afaik for storage it’s exactly what it says on the tin

Right... the problem is the discrepancy from RAM and CPU where GB is 1024. There's a disjoint between hardware where most hardware is base 2... then some other parts just aren't. That's my point. HDD/SSD manufacturers benefit from not getting onboard since they're able to offer less and still be "technically" correct.

I’ve never seen anyone use Mebibit, if it exists, which I’m not sure it does.

It does exist, but it's so fucking dumb to say (I always feel like I'm stuttering when I say the words) People probably just do everything they can to skip saying the words outright.

[-] Resol@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

That makes sense.

[-] CoolMatt@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It's 1024 because 1 bit is either a 1 or a 0, and a byte has 8 bits in it.

[-] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago
[-] CoolMatt@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hmm, never heard that before. Idk how to link to a specific section of a page, but what I'm talking about is there too, one section down.

An alternate system of nomenclature for the same units (referred to here as the customary convention), in which 1 kilobyte (KB) is equal to 1,024 bytes,[38][39][40] 1 megabyte (MB) is equal to 10242 bytes and 1 gigabyte (GB) is equal to 10243 bytes is mentioned by a 1990s JEDEC standard. Only the first three multiples (up to GB) are mentioned by the JEDEC standard, which makes no mention of TB and larger. The customary convention is used by the Microsoft Windows operating system[41][better source needed] and random-access memory capacity, such as main memory and CPU cache size, and in marketing and billing by telecommunication companies, such as Vodafone,[42] AT&T,[43] Orange[44] and Telstra.[45]

For storage capacity, the customary convention was used by macOS and iOS through Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard and iOS 10, after which they switched to units based on powers of 10.[34]

[-] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, you’re right that 1024 bytes was a kilobyte and in fact it was that way for several decades. However, as the differences between powers of two and powers of ten increase as we see larger sizes, it’s become common to differentiate them.

[-] TeenieBopper@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

10 isn't the best base and I'm sick of pretending it is.

[-] Rinox@feddit.it 10 points 1 year ago

Depends for what. Still better than random scales like 3, 12, 1760 and units that don't mean anything like hundredweight, which isn't even one hundred anything, unless it is because you live in another part of the world where the same word means a totally different thing.

Fancy a pint?

[-] DJKayDawg@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I would pick base 12. Which would you prefer?

[-] TeenieBopper@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Base 12 crew represent.

[-] Daxtron2@startrek.website 7 points 1 year ago

base 60 Babylonian gang where you at

[-] psud@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Base 60 has too many symbols for the digits

Base 12 you only need two more symbols to follow 9

[-] Daxtron2@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah but it doesn't have the same schwag as base 60

[-] psud@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I mean base 60 would be cool and all, but it would be unwieldy

[-] Daxtron2@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago
[-] psud@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Indeed. I think you don't want a number system that children can't use

Base twelve already works great in our number names, with eleven and twelve being individually named unlike the teens

[-] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago
[-] psud@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago
[-] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Granted, but it divides by two multiple times. Take a good, round number like 1024 and you can halve it 10 times in a row.

The metric system handles thirds by just using multiples. Like, you buy a 1200 wide benchtop and then you can fit a three 400 drawers under it.

You could technically do the same in hex and the base numbers are all (x^y + x^(y+1)) which represent well.

[-] psud@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Decimal thirds suck. One gets 33c the second gets 33c the third gets 34c

We're just lucky that 1c is negligible

[-] JackRiddle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Base six

https://www.seximal.net/

Base 12 has some aweful divisions, like 1/5th and 1/7th

[-] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago
[-] psud@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

12 would have been a better base.

The only thing going for 10 is that's how many fingers you have if you can only count in ones

[-] sangriaferret@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

There are a total of twelve segments on the four fingers of each hand (thumb excluded) making it just as easy to count to 12.

[-] psud@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Or you can count in binary, and get to over 1000 on ten fingers

[-] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 year ago

Because a lot of imperial measurements revolved around being able to be divided by 4, and occasionally 3 at times.

For instance the cooking unit of measurments are in 4's or base 2 in a way (e.g 1 gallon = 4 quarts = 8 pints = 16 cups = 128 ounces)

We still see 4s or 3s irl regardless of measurement system. Doughnuts are often prepared in dozens and virtually never in 10s. Do we walk around claiming why bakers hate 10 step counting?

Time is the example of something designed around 3/4 and didn't change. 60 is divisiable by both 4 (15) and 3 (20) and is not base 10, but people can accept that.

[-] bitwaba@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Time is the example of something designed around 3/4 and didn’t change. 60 is divisiable by both 4 (15) and 3 (20) and is not base 10, but people can accept that.

The French tried decimal time for a few years...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_time

[-] Zron@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Why do you people feel the need to be able to convert between the thickness of a human hair and the distance between cities?

Ah yes, this bolt is .000001 kilometers wide. That’s a very useful thing you guys did. Definitely need that in every day life.

[-] papalonian@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Stop, you're making us Americans look even stupider.

[-] TheFrogThatFlies@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Let them be! I deserve a chuckle every now and then :)

[-] tuhriel@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 1 year ago

Yeah, that's why nobody does it that way, but that strawman you got there looks mighty fine...

[-] ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Using 12 and 16 makes for easier maths (pre-calculators). It's easier to divide and get an integer. With easy access to calculators and highly precise measurements (especially digital systems) metric makes more sense and is easier to interpret quickly.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Because shut up. That's why.

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