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Disagree. The solution is to push for as much gun control as possible, until eventually the dam breaks and the 2A dies. In the long run, gun ownership in the US will resemble how it works in other Western countries, which is to say not much at all.
That's essentially nothing.
And I think elephants should fart rainbows, but both of our proposals lack any consideration of how we make that happen.
Eventually? There are roughly 400 million guns in this country...how many generations is "eventually"?
I'm not even disagreeing with you, but hoping doesn't make it happen. How do we get there? What are the steps? Does your projected path take into account the systemic impediments?
It's the same story as every other form of cruelty or injustice in American history. People look abroad, realize that such a problem never existed or was solved elsewhere, and eventually will push for the same type of reform in the US.
It doesn't matter how long it takes or how hard it is. It's the same story as every other big accomplish of the past, whether it's ending slavery or women's voting rights. They took decades to happen, but they all eventually happened.
Again, that's all great, but how does it happen? What are the steps to take? Saying it will eventually happen seems even more dismissive than saying it can't happen given current conditions.
When half the country is literally fascist, sure you can admit it isn't going to happen anytime soon. But that is a temporary phenomenon. Eventually, all of them will die. At some point, the US will be a country run by normal people. You're going to have large-scale agreement for major reforms.
The US is getting more stupid and polarised as school funding is diverted and people sign their heels in against civil discourse. It will be a long time before it is run by normal people.
I wouldn't cry if guns were banned entirely, but given the culture the US population has been sold for generations, common sense gun control that works handily in other countries simply won't work in the US. We're not wired that way.
The best chance we have is pulling the tug o' war rope as hard as possible just to maintain the status quo. We're not fighting for reform, we're fighting not to backslide.
As the saying goes, "this too shall pass." No one can say when, but major political shifts always happen after a while.
That saying depends on the just world fallacy. Unfortunately, no, all things don't necessarily pass.
I've got a saying for you that's famously used to describe every moment in Russian history: "...then it got worse."
It's foolish to think things will just fix themselves. We're hurtling full speed into climate apocalypse. Like you realize that isn't just going to "pass" right?
US isn't Russia. Nor is this something no one else has ever done. It's basically an argument from nihilism to claim that commonly solved social problems are unsolvable or aren't part of natural progress in society.
Climate doomerism is also a form of nihilism BTW, although it is off-topic.
I didn't say we're Russia. If that's what you took from my comment, then you definitely missed the point.
I don't know why you think it's some kind of gotcha, I know what nihilism is.
Hopefully soon. Probably not without help.
And now you have lost anyone who like me would be open to voting Democrat more often instead of third party, because I don't want to flat out lose my 2A rights. I don't want to vote Republican because I don't want to lose other rights in the slide towards religious fascism either. If every side is running on a platform of pick which rights you least want to lose, at least I'll have my guns for protection when the fascists do successfully pull a coup and society collapses.
Yeah, same pro-fascist shit as always. Seen your type a thousands times now.
Let me know how your Democrat recruiting pans out when you call everyone who disagrees with abolishing the 2nd amendment pro-fascist. Really winning hearts and minds, and doing that "big tent" proud. Worked great in 2016, definitely didn't need any of those "deplorables" to join up and there were no lasting consequences.
God I hate our 2 party system. Can't get universal modern healthcare and universal basic income while also keeping gun rights.
Same-old closet fascist shit you always hear. It's pretty obvious you don't care how many people die. So none of your rhetoric holds up to scrutiny.
Ok, this a a good reminder not to give possible trolling the benefit of the doubt. Even though it's feeding the troll: gun rights are not only for the far right. Marx realized the need for robust gun rights, this is nothing new. "Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary." Don't trust the state and the police to protect you, especially if you are a minority or revolutionary. The police have no legal duty to protect you.
We are not obligated to believe in Marx either. In fact, last I check nearly everyone agreed he was wrong on a lot of things. It's all outdated extremist rhetoric, regardless of where it came from.