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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by mark@programming.dev to c/technology@lemmy.world

This makes me 😭

UPDATE: Thanks @nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de for this update: The issue has now been commented on and was closed by the maintainer, where they explained why those blocks would be nonsense. But it appears the OP wants to still talk with maintainer privately about it.

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[-] sir_reginald@lemmy.world 116 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

the discussion is happening here: https://github.com/7c/fakefilter/issues/73

Someone working at Proton has commented on the issue, the list maintainer wanted to take the discussion with proton private so we have only a few posts from them.

If you want my personal take:

It's very clear how the list maintainer opposes anonymity in the internet in any form, which I see as an attack on freedom, journalism and activism.

I'm not a fan of Protonmail of any sort and in fact I consider that their privacy is lacking... but I really hope they can talk some sense into this guy. This block list seems to be used by a lot of webs that will start blocking virtually every private email provider.

(Edit: I assumed the person that posted the email list was a maintainer, but they don't seem to have a "contributor" or "owner" badge, so idk. Maybe they are just very angry at privacy and anonymity on the internet)

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 40 points 2 years ago

What do you consider to be a good privacy focused email solution that allows anonymity?

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 67 points 2 years ago

They're talking out their bum. It's as private as any email service can be.

[-] Caboose12000@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

important to emphasize here that email is inherently not very private. Proton is one of the best email providers for privacy, but for things you really need to be private (eg organizing protests in less-than-friendly countries) you shouldn't use email at all.

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 15 points 2 years ago

Which is precisely why I said "as any email service can be".

[-] Caboose12000@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

yes I agree with you lol just trying to be extra clear for people who might be confused

[-] uranibaba@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Does proton do anything other than encrypting the email file? TLS should be enough to encrypt the transfer.

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 points 2 years ago

They do lots. They open images and other attachments on their servers so they can't be used to track you and filter tracking links when possible.

[-] uranibaba@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Okey, that sounds super nice. I might just switch over my email as well to them, not just use them for their calendar.

[-] RTRedreovic@feddit.ch 4 points 2 years ago
[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yep. Find me a service provider that risks being arrested to deny lawful demands in Switzerland. I'll wait.

[-] PracticalParrot@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 2 years ago

If you look at what data they handed over you'll realize this is a positive thing. You have verifiable proof that the contents of your mails is private, and you're calling it a negative thing that they have your IP address??

[-] manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

this guy isn't even hiding behind seven proxies

[-] hedgehog@ttrpg.network 5 points 2 years ago

Do you have articles showing Tutanota refusing to do the same?

[-] RTRedreovic@feddit.ch 3 points 2 years ago

I am not here to entertain Whataboutery. I am not a shill for Tuta Mail and will abandon it as well if it does the same thing. I don't rely on e-mail for communications. I only suggested Tuta Mail in the other thread because it is the least worst of them all.

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago

If your argument is "don't use email", you're right, but doing a bad job articulating it.

[-] AdamUllstrom@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

I would love to know this too ☺️

[-] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

Is addy.io any good? I’ve poked around a bit but not investigated deeply

[-] micka190@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

As a paying customer, it's good if you want a burner email address that forwards to your actual email address. Not sure if they're offering full blown mailing servers now, though. Pretty much does what I need it to do, personally.

[-] LWD@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
[-] micka190@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah, that's also what I use it for. Discovered that my ProtonMail subscription came with SimpleLogin now, but its UI/extension is kind of annoying to use compared to AnnonAddy (Addy.io now, I guess), so I kept paying for it. Was mostly pointing out that Addy.io isn't a mail service, they're a mail forwarding service (unless that's changed since they became Addy.io).

[-] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

That’s basically all I want as a mail edge

[-] Marsey_Enjoyer@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

What do you consider to be a good privacy focused email solution that allows anonymity?

cock.li

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago
[-] uranibaba@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I clicked for you. From the website:

Cock.li is your go-to solution for professional E-mail and XMPP addresses. Since 2013 cock.li has provided stable E-mail services to an ever-increasing number of users. Cock.li allows registration and usage using Tor and other privacy services (proxies, VPNs) and thanks to continued funding by its users is certain to stay free forever.

(SFW)

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

I just couldn’t say my email out loud.

“Wait, what did you say?!”

“It’s private!”

“I’m calling the police”

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago

These lists are used by platforms to try and cut down on spam/bot account signups. This isn't a thing done for signups by the vast majority of platforms out there, but the API verification steps IS becoming more prevalent I suppose. I just got rejected for using a Protonmail domain to buy something outright on a very popular pet supplies platform the other day, but...eh.

[-] catastrophicblues@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 years ago

They’ll just lose my business and get a stern customer support email then. I don’t do business with companies that exclude Proton/Tutanota/Skiff emails.

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Bro... You're on Lemmy. What business?

[-] kurwa@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

Yes, Lemmy users literally never spend any money, not once ever.

[-] kambusha@feddit.ch 5 points 2 years ago
[-] kurwa@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Like 3 sometimes

[-] _number8_@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

It’s very clear how the list maintainer opposes anonymity in the internet in any form,

why would anyone ever be like this?

[-] Rin@lemm.ee 21 points 2 years ago

Maybe a fed, corpo or authoritarian

[-] pivot_root@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

I was thinking the same. Would be mighty convenient for them if people had to switch to sellout mail providers because the alternatives are all blocked.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago

This is not the list maintainer. Just a rando who opened a request

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 years ago

Someone working at Proton has commented on the issue, the list maintainer wanted to take the discussion with proton private so we have only a few posts from them.

They're not the maintainer.

[-] sir_reginald@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I say that in my comment

Edit: I assumed the person that posted the email list was a maintainer, but they don't seem to have a "contributor" or "owner" badge

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