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the discussion is happening here: https://github.com/7c/fakefilter/issues/73
Someone working at Proton has commented on the issue, the list maintainer wanted to take the discussion with proton private so we have only a few posts from them.
If you want my personal take:
It's very clear how the list maintainer opposes anonymity in the internet in any form, which I see as an attack on freedom, journalism and activism.
I'm not a fan of Protonmail of any sort and in fact I consider that their privacy is lacking... but I really hope they can talk some sense into this guy. This block list seems to be used by a lot of webs that will start blocking virtually every private email provider.
(Edit: I assumed the person that posted the email list was a maintainer, but they don't seem to have a "contributor" or "owner" badge, so idk. Maybe they are just very angry at privacy and anonymity on the internet)
What do you consider to be a good privacy focused email solution that allows anonymity?
They're talking out their bum. It's as private as any email service can be.
important to emphasize here that email is inherently not very private. Proton is one of the best email providers for privacy, but for things you really need to be private (eg organizing protests in less-than-friendly countries) you shouldn't use email at all.
Which is precisely why I said "as any email service can be".
yes I agree with you lol just trying to be extra clear for people who might be confused
Does proton do anything other than encrypting the email file? TLS should be enough to encrypt the transfer.
They do lots. They open images and other attachments on their servers so they can't be used to track you and filter tracking links when possible.
Okey, that sounds super nice. I might just switch over my email as well to them, not just use them for their calendar.
Nope. Refer the links below.
https://www.theregister.com/2021/09/07/protonmail_hands_user_ip_address_police/
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/09/privacy-focused-protonmail-provided-a-users-ip-address-to-authorities/
https://cyberwarzone.com/protonmail-complies-with-a-record-6000-government-requests-for-user-data-in-2022/
https://encryp.ch/blog/disturbing-facts-about-protonmail/
Yep. Find me a service provider that risks being arrested to deny lawful demands in Switzerland. I'll wait.
If you look at what data they handed over you'll realize this is a positive thing. You have verifiable proof that the contents of your mails is private, and you're calling it a negative thing that they have your IP address??
Do you have articles showing Tutanota refusing to do the same?
I am not here to entertain Whataboutery. I am not a shill for Tuta Mail and will abandon it as well if it does the same thing. I don't rely on e-mail for communications. I only suggested Tuta Mail in the other thread because it is the least worst of them all.
If your argument is "don't use email", you're right, but doing a bad job articulating it.
I would love to know this too ☺️
Try Tuta Mail
Germany vs Switzerland eh?
Is addy.io any good? I’ve poked around a bit but not investigated deeply
As a paying customer, it's good if you want a burner email address that forwards to your actual email address. Not sure if they're offering full blown mailing servers now, though. Pretty much does what I need it to do, personally.
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Yeah, that's also what I use it for. Discovered that my ProtonMail subscription came with SimpleLogin now, but its UI/extension is kind of annoying to use compared to AnnonAddy (Addy.io now, I guess), so I kept paying for it. Was mostly pointing out that Addy.io isn't a mail service, they're a mail forwarding service (unless that's changed since they became Addy.io).
That’s basically all I want as a mail edge
cock.li
I am not clicking that.
I clicked for you. From the website:
(SFW)
I just couldn’t say my email out loud.
“Wait, what did you say?!”
“It’s private!”
“I’m calling the police”
These lists are used by platforms to try and cut down on spam/bot account signups. This isn't a thing done for signups by the vast majority of platforms out there, but the API verification steps IS becoming more prevalent I suppose. I just got rejected for using a Protonmail domain to buy something outright on a very popular pet supplies platform the other day, but...eh.
They’ll just lose my business and get a stern customer support email then. I don’t do business with companies that exclude Proton/Tutanota/Skiff emails.
Bro... You're on Lemmy. What business?
Yes, Lemmy users literally never spend any money, not once ever.
You guys have money?
Like 3 sometimes
why would anyone ever be like this?
Maybe a fed, corpo or authoritarian
I was thinking the same. Would be mighty convenient for them if people had to switch to sellout mail providers because the alternatives are all blocked.
This is not the list maintainer. Just a rando who opened a request
They're not the maintainer.
I say that in my comment