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Russian security forces raided gay clubs and bars across Moscow Friday night, less than 48 hours after the country’s top court banned what it called the “global LGBTQ+ movement” as an extremist organization.

Police searched venues across the Russian capital, including a nightclub, a male sauna, and a bar that hosted LGBTQ+ parties, under the pretext of a drug raid, local media reported.

Eyewitnesses told journalists that clubgoers’ documents were checked and photographed by the security services. They also said that managers had been able to warn patrons before police arrived.

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[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago

The country has a Jewish president and a Muslim cabinet minister. Sound like a Nazi country to you?

identity politics are boring. there were Jewish collaborators in the third Reich.

[-] player2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

In most cases, Jews who chose to collaborate with Nazis did so to guarantee their personal survival, which distinguished them from most other ethnic groups who collaborated with Nazi Germany. It's not exactly a fair comparison.

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago

but you see that identity is not a preventative for fascism, right? I don't think the president of Ukraine is any more fascist than Biden or Obama. but I also take a pretty dim view of them.

[-] Jonna@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

While voting is a necessary but insufficient way to combat fascism, 96% of voting Ukrainians choosing to not support fascism is a good indicator that fascism is NOT on the agenda in Ukraine. A fascist coup by that 2% supporting fascism would be opposed by the vast majority of Ukraine.

You completely ignore that fact with your hardon for attacking the identity of persons chosen by the Ukrainians.

Edit to explain: I made no argument on what Zelinsky as a Jew or the Muslim cabinet member would be politically, which would be identity politics. This statement of fact (Zelinsky is Jewish) was relevant to the political preferences of the Ukrainian people. Fascists don't choose Jews and Muslims to represent them.

Zelinsky is a pretty terrible neoliberal, and I'm not actually a fan. But I am a fan a national self determination. So was Lenin.

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago

You completely ignore that fact with your hardon for attacking the identity of persons chosen by the Ukrainians.

this is a spurious accusation and you should apologize

[-] player2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago

I see your point and it stands. Certainly anyone can lead a country down the wrong path and we don't know their true motives.

My point was mainly that the power structure is seemingly reversed, so the incentives don't make as much sense.

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