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There is a common misunderstanding. First of all, this is a Canadian instance. There is no American constitution ruling over it. Second, free speech is not limited to the American constitution, or to governments. It is a concept that is related to people's ability to express themselves, not necessarily in relation to a governmental power.
Freedom of speech as a concept, sure, but the first amendment only applies to the US government.
Broadly speaking, here's a list of countries and their relative levels of freedom of speech: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-with-freedom-of-speech
That's what I said though. Idk who mentioned the first amendment.
I was just making fun of people who bring it up when it's totally irrelevant, on a Lemmy hosted in Canuckistan.
Still, free speech can be pursued despite the unavailability of a first amendment. I myself do not like being restricted in what I can say, so if I am limited, I will try to fight this limitation, whether I am sponsored by daddy Obama's freedom drones or not. Now, if I went around waving a print of the first amendment that would indeed be ridiculous, especially being in Europe where it's not a concern of governments or the people in general.
Sure, freedom of speech can be pursued anywhere, to varying degrees of risk.
Canada or Norway? Sure, you'll probably be fine!
Russia or China? Depends on what you are expressing.
With the right VPN your chances increase infinitely. :)
Lol you genuinely believe Canada has anything resembling free speech? Because I got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you
Canada scores higher than the US in most freedom of speech indexes/rankings.
I have a feeling you've bought bridges before, haven't you.
I've seen those indexes and they're absolute bullshit.
Welp, since you seem believe that USA is #1 in free speech, bullshit seems to sort of be your thing, no?
Certainly miles better than Canada, and if you don't see it, I see no reason in further conversing with you since you don't live in reality.
Lmao alright gotcha you're just not arguing in good faith then.
You're just stating an opinion and presenting it as an inarguable fact lol
Your opinion does not become inarguable fact just because you found some propaganda slop that agrees.
It sure is better than "It is because I said so, and I'll stop talking to you because you don't agree". Lmao
Go on then, what rights do you have that I don't?
Lmao I've read all the crap indexes you're referencing, and they all amount to "because I said so". If you disagree about my assessment of the sources you haven't actually provided, you're free to make an actual argument either for your point, or to provide such an index that actually displays Rigorous methodology for their assessment of the laws in relevant countries and establishes a clear and consistent scale for measuring their impact.
You're the one who ridiculed someone for "believ[ing] Canada has anything resembling free speech?"
You're the one making stupid assessment, why would I be the one providing proof?
It's always the same with you people lol
I made a subjective claim. You're the one pretending like you have some righteous position just because some hacks published their opinions that I disagree with.
Are you implying that because the concept freedom of speech exists everyone is inherently required to follow it? What point are you trying to make??
No. I'm saying that the presence or absence of the first amendment does not preclude the pursuit, or lack thereof, of free speech. I'm saying that free speech can be perfectly pursued or restricted in the absence of the american government, and that the first amendment is simply a statement for Americans, by Americans, on what free speech means in terms of government regulation.