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submitted 11 months ago by Gormadt to c/196

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A tweet from the George Takei Twitter account which states:

"A Democrat was in the White House when my family was sent to the internment camps in 1941. It was an egregious violation of our human and civil rights.

It would have been understandable if people like me said they’d never vote for a Democrat again, given what had been done to us.

But being a liberal, being a progressive, means being able to look past my own grievances and concerns and think of the greater good. It means working from within the Democratic party to make it better, even when it has betrayed its values.

I went on to campaign for Adlai Stevenson when I became an adult. I marched for civil rights and had the honor of meeting Dr. Martin Luther King. I fought for redress for my community and have spent my life ensuring that America understood that we could not betray our Constitution in such a way ever again.

Bill Clinton broke my heart when he signed DOMA into law. It was a slap in the face to the LGBTQ community. And I knew that we still had much work to do. But I voted for him again in 1996 despite my misgivings, because the alternative was far worse. And my obligation as a citizen was to help choose the best leader for it, not to check out by not voting out of anger or protest.

There is no leader who will make the decision you want her or him to make 100 percent of the time. Your vote is a tool of hope for a better world. Use it wisely, for it is precious. Use it for others, for they are in need of your support, too."

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The last paragraph I find particularly powerful and something more people really should take into account.

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[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Thw alternative is to choose people who would change the status quo of just having to choose between two candidates. Seriously, how is it democracy, if it's the exact same shit going on year after year after year? One president is a democrat, one is a republican. Average that out, and it flip flops from one to the other. Neither change the status quo at all. So maybe vote in someone who will?

[-] null@slrpnk.net 7 points 11 months ago

Thw alternative is to choose people who would change the status quo of just having to choose between two candidates.

If only it were that simple.

[-] thecrotch@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

It literally is, but too many people bought the "throwing your vote away" BS. Including you.

[-] Gormadt 3 points 11 months ago

Here's a great video that explains the issues with our voting system, it even explains why voting third party is throwing your vote away.

TLDW: It's because voting for that third party ensures that the candidate that you hate the most has an easier time winning as the candidate that is closer to their opponent (the third party) takes votes away from their opponent.

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[-] null@slrpnk.net 1 points 11 months ago

It's really not. How does me, and me alone voting 3rd party help?

[-] thecrotch@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago

How does you voting for anyone help?

[-] null@slrpnk.net 1 points 11 months ago

Me alone? It doesn't. That's the point.

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

See, defeatism. It is that simple.

[-] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 5 points 11 months ago

So campaign for voting reform then.

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

As a start, sure.

[-] null@slrpnk.net 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's really not. How does me, and me alone voting 3rd party help?

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

If nobody votes 3rd party, then they'll never win, now will they?

[-] null@slrpnk.net 1 points 11 months ago

Of course not -- so what you're effectively saying is that it's "simple" to get enough people to agree on what the right changes are to the status quo, and collectively back a candidate that promises those changes for them to get enough votes to be able to make those changes.

Which is of course exactly what 3rd party candidates are attempting to do by campaigning in the first place. I wonder if they know how "simple" it's supposed to be.

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Yeah it is simple - when people stop buying the "a vote for third party is lost". Go out, protest, vote for 3rd parties. But nope, it's easier to let democracy be eroded further and further.

[-] null@slrpnk.net 3 points 11 months ago

You must have missed this part, let me copy and paste it again for you:

"get enough people to agree on what the right changes are to the status quo, and collectively back a candidate that promises those changes for them to get enough votes to be able to make those changes."

Please explain how that's simple to make happen.

Right now, what you're saying is tantamount to saying that achieving world piece is simple, all people need to do is just be kind to each other. It's cute, but it's completely devoid of any critical thought.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 3 points 11 months ago

The President isn't a dictator; a lot of decisions are made by other politicians as I noted. Hell, we are seeing what happens when you have a divided government versus one led by one party.

Also, there is voting in primaries. Again, the presidential candidate may be chosen, but there are other candidates as well and some may need your support and align with your interests.

And I get that you might have an election with a candidate you may not love like Biden or you find out that a candidate is a piece of shit like Simena. However, I'd still rather show up and get a chance to affect the choosing of my leaders rather than not.

Not voting is defeatism.

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Which again - go vote and vote for a third party.

[-] Gormadt 2 points 11 months ago

Primaries are for voting with your heart, election day is for voting strategically

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Yeah I heard that repeated without a reason as to "why". Ultimately it boils down to "we got conditioned to voting for the status quote"

[-] null@slrpnk.net 2 points 11 months ago
[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I know how it works. I'm saying you got convinced that your vote doesn't matter and to "vote strategically". Which is entirely defeatist. It's no wonder you only have a two party system, when it's so easy to tell people "you don't have a choice".

[-] null@slrpnk.net 2 points 11 months ago

What you're arguing is directly addressed in the video.

[-] Gormadt 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

CGP Grey's whole voting series is great and more people should watch it

Edit: Spleling

[-] null@slrpnk.net 1 points 11 months ago

Your silence speaks volumes.

Glad that video helped you understand and hopefully you'll spread less bullshit in the future!

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

People have shit to do. Also, I decided to stop arguing with a person who doesn't even know that they have a choice. I'll now be ignoring you, since I don't care about debating a defeatist american and furthermore I don't care about you.

[-] null@slrpnk.net 1 points 11 months ago

Haha cute. I posted something that completely dismantles what you're saying so you run away with your tail between your legs.

Classic.

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