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They're voting in anti-immgrant right wing politicians. Same with Germany, Spain, and France
That's not a fiscal policy. A country or block of countries can be right about 1 thing and wrong about others.
It is though. Guess what the number one Argument made against migrants is.
The number one argument made against migrants is whatever that person thinks sounds the least like "I'm just xenophobic"
Right but the politicians argument is always "our social system cant afford it". A fiscal argument.
That doesn't make it a fiscal policy
If it relates to the governments expenditures then it is a fiscal argument. If the policy is based on such a fiscal argument then it is a fiscal policy.
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy/
Right so you agree that the fiscal policies and anti-migration laws targeting specific races are inextricably linked?
This is "states rights" levels of pedantic, incorrect stubbornness.
What they wrote down into law was fiscal, but just saying "fiscal policy" completely ignores the whole context to an absurd abstract degree, and this is intentional.
The discussion originally was about how the fiscal policies in European countries are good even though they have racist migration laws, I wanted to show that this is a fiscal policy too, as in they absolutely have racist fiscal policy.
I believe we are on the same side here.
If we're on the same side, stop taking the other side at their word by calling it "fiscal policy".
If someone says to me that the racist policies and the fiscal policies are different, when they arent, I think its important to stress that some of the racist policies and in fact most of them, are fiscal.
I am not trying to diminish a racist policy by calling it fiscal, I'm trying to highlight that some of the fiscal policies are racist. And that that the European liberal model is inextricably tied to racism, because some people here want to export european fiscal policies to the US in the hopes of fighting injustice but they would be copying racist policies that would still perpetuate injustice.
And if I spray paint some stripes onto my dog, a tiger I did not make. they can claim its about fiscal policy all they want, it rarely is
Seems to be that they're not integrating here and creating a parallel society and increase in crime.
If there's one thing the right are good at it's indoctrination. They co-opt spaces and then use them to infect people with their mindset.
And damn is it ever effective. Someone close to me is normally a leftist – she proudly supports her union (and unions in general), is strongly in favor of LGBT+ rights and environmental protection, mistrusts most political parties as they're too much in bed with big business etc.
However, she also hangs out on 9GAG, which apparently has been pretty much taken over by the right. This has greatly affected her views on immigrants since she's exposed to unchallenged right-wing drivel every day. It was "fun" when she told me how refugee facilities are hotbeds of violent crime and then it turned out that the unspecified statistics she was basing this on were mostly about violence against refugees.
(Not that those camps perfectly safe by themselves but not in the way right wingers make it sound like refugees and immigrants (who are conflated) are all violent anarchists who are above the law.)
Recently she just had to share this "joke" with me. The whole thing consisted of two police officers with Turkish names finding a generic German name exotic. That was it; I couldn't find any punchline in there, just a "the immigrants are replacing us" message. I'm just writing for the day when I hear the word "Überfremdung" ("overforeigning", a standard term of the far right) out of her mouth.
It goes on like that. Politically she's convinced that the Greens are completely unviable as a party and the worst part of the current government – the FDP (our liberal party for rich people) gets no mention despite being diametrically opposed to most of her core views. Ricarda Lang (a Green politician) being fat is much more important and will never get old.
I have no idea how to counter this but I'm afraid that she'll drift off into the hard right with time. She seems unwilling to accept that her main source of funnies is also chock full of right wing propaganda.
That is part if the problem. The other part, at least is my country, is that the left is failing to present a believable alternative. Idealistic rhetoric from an ivory tower doesn't convince people their practical problems will be solved.
My old working class neighbourhood used to be relatively safe, now it isn't. A major demographic change occurred. It's not hard to see what happened.
This chronic inability by some on the left to acknowledge that mass immigration does at least some damage to the social fabric, is part of why the rightoids are winning. People on the ground can see it, and shouting to the contrary from ivory tower PMC liberals who consider themselves lefties is not going to change that.
In Canada we are undergoing a collapse of the healthcare system and a shortage of housing.
But if you say "maybe bringing more people into the country when we can't house or care for the people who are already here is a bad idea," suddenly you're a racist.
Immigration policy has real effects on the lives of current citizens, and it is not racist to acknowledge those effects.
Yeah this seems to be the case all over.