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i suggest we figure out a way to maintain the habitability of the planet without eugenics.
Right, but from a "carbon footprint" perspective, making new humans is the worst thing a human could do for their footprint. What we need to get away from is the argument that our individual carbon footprints are too high. I mean, they are, but the ruling class is a lot more egregious.
this is actual eugenicist propaganda. you should stop spreading it.
No it is not. It has nothing to do with eugenics. Nothing at all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics#Meanings_and_types
as i mentioned in the other subthread, eugenics is often used synonymously with genocide, which is the meaning i was connoting.
Genocide is not being suggested.
Genocide is against the other’s will.
I am not suggesting any kind of violence.
propaganda that encourages one segment of the population to "voluntarily" cease procreation is a method of genocide.
Who said anything at all about “one segment of the population”?
I didn’t. Maybe I’m wrong, but I didn’t see anybody in the present thread talk about “one segment of the population.”
I do NOT think only one segment of the population should cease procreation.
I think everyone everywhere should stop procreation.
But they won’t. How could they, when humans have no freewill to choose?
We will continue making more pointless copies of each other till some outside force stops us from reproduction, like a giant meteor hitting the earth or the sun expanding to engulf the earth or the earth becoming so hot masses of humans die from the heat or some massive highly fatal pandemic destroys humans.
I can’t imagine what is so exciting about our existence in the first place, that causes us to continue on and on.
then ethics are an illisuion and the fact that you think everyone "should" stop procreating is a farce. there is no "should" without the ability to choose.
they're not talking about it. tehy're talknig to it. they're literally propagandizing english-speaking fediverse users to stop procreating.
What is so terrible about not reproducing?
Nothing. Nothing at all.
I didn’t reproduce. And all I feel is relief. I am happy that I had no children. They won’t have to suffer in this hell of a world.
You can still have ethics with no freewill.
You just can’t freely choose your ethics.
no, you can't, because you can't choose your actions. it's a farce.
this is just more eugenicist propaganda.
I am not a eugenicist. Eugenicists think the world or people can be improved. I do not think the world or existence can be improved. I do not think humans can be improved.
If you really are a "commie" (like your username) then you think the world and humans, or the system can be improved. You have more in common with eugenics than I do.
Also, I am not a misanthrope. I do not hate human beings. I just think existence is an inescapable horror, that can never be fixed. That human beings and other animals suffer constantly.
But I am in the minority in my views. I am in an infinitesimally small minority.
You and the rest of humanity go on without me. I have no interest in the future. Or any of the innumerable schemes for utopia paradise: not christian/religious, not communist, not capitalist, not back to nature, not transhumanist, not satanic, not materialist, not idealist.
People will do what they always do. I have no interest. We are all aimed at non-existence and there is nothing that can be done about that.
I go delete all my replies now.
why?
Because I can see clearly that non-existence is better than existence.
this sounds like you might be suicidal. I hope that you're not. if you are I hope you can get some help. I hope you don't kill yourself.
Every single thing is aimed at non-existence. I’m just ahead of the curve and happy about it.
I can’t kill myself. I promised someone that I wouldn’t leave them all alone in this horror-hell world. Otherwise, all bets are off.
I don’t see it as help to force people to be miserable.
The only good things are non-existent things. All things that exist are evil, everything in the universe. It is impossible to avoid harming humans and non-human animals.
Non-existence is the only happiness and paradise.
I hope you develop some self-love. truly. I find your last few comments quite tragic. I wish there were something I could do for you.
If we really loved ourselves, then we could more easily see the value of non-existence.
My comments are not the tragic part. It is existence that is tragic.
Thank you for reminding me of the pointlessness of talking to human beings.
i hope you escape your misanthropy.
I'm not trolling. I'm trying to vocally oppose eugenics.
it's obviously targeting English speaking fedivers users.
it's clearly targeting English speaking fediverse users.
Sorry what?
You actually believe that people talking about collapse and antinatalism here is targetting users here with eugenics? ... lmao
I fucking deleted the question because I thought it was too offensive to actively make you look this stupid by pointing it out, but you actually believe this?
I feel ableist for laughing at you.
you managed to type the words in the right order, but you still don't seem to understand.
who do you think COULD be effected by the english-language comments on the fediverse?
And you've appointed yourself in charge of deciding what is and isn't ethically acceptable to talk about here, lest it corrupt the infirm?
Please tell me more about these people of the fediverse you're protecting from my eugenics campaign.
I'd love to know where you found this community and how you decided you needed to protect them from learning about politics and environmental sciences?
Such strong comminust values you have.
it's no surprise that a eugenicist might try to rhetorically malign someone who advocates for equality.
calling eugenics "science" is the oldest trick in the (eugenicist text)book.
I hope you eventually find that brain you so desperately need, Comrade Strawman.
Maybe then you'll be able to learn what 'eugenics' actually means.
I've committed no strawman at all. this entire comment is nothing but empty rhetoric.
no. I have a personal conviction that eugenics is wrong. when I seep people spreading eugenic propaganda, I call it out.