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[-] rsuri@lemmy.world 72 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's like everyone's opinion is "my tribe is always right and deserves all the sympathy, the other tribe is always wrong and deserves all the suffering". No one cares about solutions or examining why a conflict has persisted for 80 years. Humans are so predictable.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 35 points 2 years ago

It's not even "my tribe".

Hardly anyone posting here is Israeli or Palestinian. It's just distracting nonsense to divide us. Pick a side plebs. Look, those people have picked the other side. Hate them!

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

To be fair it isn't the Israeli or Palestinian population is their governments. The populations are just sorta a second thought given both seem to be majority against it.

[-] ignotum@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Hey this guy hasn't picked a side, get them!

[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Fighting a culture war to prevent you fighting a class war.

[-] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

Enlightened, middle-ground centrist. We found you.

[-] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Friendly reminder that a defining characteristic of a fascist is drawing hard in-group out-group lines.

(And another is the fetishization and glorification of violence against the out-group)

[-] JohnDoe@lemmy.myserv.one 8 points 2 years ago

Wait, I'm even more confused. Are you saying the OP who posted is creating the demarcations for groups?

[-] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 11 points 2 years ago

The person who I am directly replying to.

But make no mistake, Israel is also fascist af.

[-] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago
[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Ah yes, the "I have a black friend" defense.

I have Jewish friends, so I trust you won't call me antisemitic for saying Israel is structurally racist and authoritarian.

[-] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

I just shown you a highly placed Arab state worker. show me a Jewish in West Bank, mind you?

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Why would a Jew choose to live in the West Bank when there's a much more pleasant country next door offering them citizenship? Your analogy is so flawed I have a hard time thinking you're making it in good faith.

[-] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Well, according to your own words, Israel is a fascist state, hunting down Arab minorities. I have shown an example how a representative of an Arab minority has held an extremely high rank in Israel society, and I believe this fact undermines your claim, hence Israel is not a fascist state.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 6 points 2 years ago

I think you've mistaken me for someone else.

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Wasn't Hitlers physician at one point a Jewish person? I don't think one example is really all that telling.

[-] JohnDoe@lemmy.myserv.one 4 points 2 years ago

Wish there was common nomenclature for referring to posters or parts of a comment to make the context clearer. Friends say I am on the spectrum but the Psychologist said that doesn't seem to be the case.

Like, OP1 is lame, OP2 supports genocide, etc. to clarify within a thread without having to quote or @ which I find a bit clumsy and generally gets in the way of flow.

[-] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago

This sounds like a great idea!

I'll clarify, I'm just putting out a reminder that being fascist is not an inherent trait, like green eyes or dark skin. Literally anyone can fall into the trap of fascist thinking. The only way to be truly anti-fascist is to recognize the warning signs in your own thoughts and worldview.

So centrism can sometimes be a trap, but don't demonize the practice of seeing both sides. Taking a hard line with one sides is a step on the path to becoming a fascist.

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

So centrism can sometimes be a trap, but don’t demonize the practice of seeing both sides.

Wise words.

It's how Peace is achieved.

Taking a hard line with one sides is a step on the path to becoming a fascist.

And War, and death.

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Wish there was common nomenclature for referring to posters or parts of a comment to make the context clearer.

For comments, that's how I do it.

Throw one, too, or three asterisks around each side of the sentence you want to highlight.

No need for special verbage or nomenclature. It's done visually.

[-] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 years ago

There should be a distinction between the OP of the thread and the OP of the comment imo. It can get confusing.

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

There should be a distinction between the OP of the thread and the OP of the comment imo.

OPT and OPC?

[-] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 years ago

Something like that, yeah. Is that a thing already or did you just come up with it?

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Is that a thing already or did you just come up with it?

Unless I accidentally reinvented them, those came from me.

[-] JohnDoe@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah I think what I dislike about that is it breaks up the flow of whatever I am writing. There's a coherence that is lost.

I'm accustomed to reading books or essays where there might be an excerpt, but more likely a paraphrase of what the author considers their opponent's argument to be. This makes it helpful at times to pinpoint a misunderstanding in the author.

But yeah, having consistent rules on the internet for posting is a losing battle I think. More or less thinking out loud, appreciate the comment.

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah I think what I dislike about that is it breaks up the flow of whatever I am writing.

No, It doesn't have to.

You can just write it out straight, without formatting, and then after you're done that go back and add the asterisks to emphasize the parts that you want to emphasize, already having your thoughts jotted down.

[-] JohnDoe@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 2 years ago

Fair, this might be a stylistic thing. I'll def try and see how it goes.

[-] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago

"Only a sith deals in absolutes!"

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

That sounds like an "absolute" statement to me!

[-] YeOldGrim@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Glory to the Absolute!

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Would that still count if it's "In group = civilians" " out group = organizations killing civilians"?

[-] Rakonat@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

I wish two groups of people determined to kill each other could take it away from the civilian population, to say nothing of using human shields and attacking irrespective of potential collateral damage and non combatant deaths

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 7 points 2 years ago

More like two groups of people determined to kill civilian populations. Keeping it away from civilians would defeat the whole purpose.

[-] anarchy79@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Humans are manipulable, especially in large numbers. Humans are violent, but not irrational. It takes convincing for that.

[-] Daxtron2@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

People are absolutely irrational, especially in groups

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Didn't K say a person is smart, people are dumb. Something along those lines.

[-] Daxtron2@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

MIB was a great movie

[-] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 years ago

Individually, humans are erratic, not irrational. Seeing action without reason is very rare, the thing is that the reason that lead them is often flawed. Group dynamics are a whole different beast tho, they could be described as irrational.

[-] Cannacheques@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 years ago

No, we're finding new ways to commit familicide though!

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