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The state of the discourse.
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It's like everyone's opinion is "my tribe is always right and deserves all the sympathy, the other tribe is always wrong and deserves all the suffering". No one cares about solutions or examining why a conflict has persisted for 80 years. Humans are so predictable.
It's not even "my tribe".
Hardly anyone posting here is Israeli or Palestinian. It's just distracting nonsense to divide us. Pick a side plebs. Look, those people have picked the other side. Hate them!
To be fair it isn't the Israeli or Palestinian population is their governments. The populations are just sorta a second thought given both seem to be majority against it.
Hey this guy hasn't picked a side, get them!
Fighting a culture war to prevent you fighting a class war.
Enlightened, middle-ground centrist. We found you.
Friendly reminder that a defining characteristic of a fascist is drawing hard in-group out-group lines.
(And another is the fetishization and glorification of violence against the out-group)
Wait, I'm even more confused. Are you saying the OP who posted is creating the demarcations for groups?
The person who I am directly replying to.
But make no mistake, Israel is also fascist af.
Pretty non fascist to my understanding. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Karra
Ah yes, the "I have a black friend" defense.
I have Jewish friends, so I trust you won't call me antisemitic for saying Israel is structurally racist and authoritarian.
I just shown you a highly placed Arab state worker. show me a Jewish in West Bank, mind you?
Why would a Jew choose to live in the West Bank when there's a much more pleasant country next door offering them citizenship? Your analogy is so flawed I have a hard time thinking you're making it in good faith.
Well, according to your own words, Israel is a fascist state, hunting down Arab minorities. I have shown an example how a representative of an Arab minority has held an extremely high rank in Israel society, and I believe this fact undermines your claim, hence Israel is not a fascist state.
I think you've mistaken me for someone else.
Wasn't Hitlers physician at one point a Jewish person? I don't think one example is really all that telling.
Lol
What's so funny?
Wish there was common nomenclature for referring to posters or parts of a comment to make the context clearer. Friends say I am on the spectrum but the Psychologist said that doesn't seem to be the case.
Like, OP1 is lame, OP2 supports genocide, etc. to clarify within a thread without having to quote or @ which I find a bit clumsy and generally gets in the way of flow.
This sounds like a great idea!
I'll clarify, I'm just putting out a reminder that being fascist is not an inherent trait, like green eyes or dark skin. Literally anyone can fall into the trap of fascist thinking. The only way to be truly anti-fascist is to recognize the warning signs in your own thoughts and worldview.
So centrism can sometimes be a trap, but don't demonize the practice of seeing both sides. Taking a hard line with one sides is a step on the path to becoming a fascist.
For sure I think Nazis and Tankies are both gross, and I have a kind of out-group bias against them, but I never advocate for violence against them.
Except maybe punching Nazis, but nothing serious damaging or life threatening.
Wise words.
It's how Peace is achieved.
And War, and death.
For comments, that's how I do it.
Throw one, too, or three asterisks around each side of the sentence you want to highlight.
No need for special verbage or nomenclature. It's done visually.
There should be a distinction between the OP of the thread and the OP of the comment imo. It can get confusing.
OPT and OPC?
Something like that, yeah. Is that a thing already or did you just come up with it?
Unless I accidentally reinvented them, those came from me.
Yeah I think what I dislike about that is it breaks up the flow of whatever I am writing. There's a coherence that is lost.
I'm accustomed to reading books or essays where there might be an excerpt, but more likely a paraphrase of what the author considers their opponent's argument to be. This makes it helpful at times to pinpoint a misunderstanding in the author.
But yeah, having consistent rules on the internet for posting is a losing battle I think. More or less thinking out loud, appreciate the comment.
No, It doesn't have to.
You can just write it out straight, without formatting, and then after you're done that go back and add the asterisks to emphasize the parts that you want to emphasize, already having your thoughts jotted down.
Fair, this might be a stylistic thing. I'll def try and see how it goes.
My mind is open to considering this. Where is the line I'm drawing, which is the in-group and which is the out-group?
"Only a sith deals in absolutes!"
That sounds like an "absolute" statement to me!
Glory to the Absolute!
yup agreed?
Would that still count if it's "In group = civilians" " out group = organizations killing civilians"?
I wish two groups of people determined to kill each other could take it away from the civilian population, to say nothing of using human shields and attacking irrespective of potential collateral damage and non combatant deaths
More like two groups of people determined to kill civilian populations. Keeping it away from civilians would defeat the whole purpose.
The irony in this post is palpable.
"It's like people refuse to acknowledge the wrongdoings of their own tribe."
FTFY
Love your humour dude
Humans are manipulable, especially in large numbers. Humans are violent, but not irrational. It takes convincing for that.
People are absolutely irrational, especially in groups
Didn't K say a person is smart, people are dumb. Something along those lines.
MIB was a great movie
Individually, humans are erratic, not irrational. Seeing action without reason is very rare, the thing is that the reason that lead them is often flawed. Group dynamics are a whole different beast tho, they could be described as irrational.
No, we're finding new ways to commit familicide though!