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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by thenexusofprivacy@lemmy.sdf.org to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

Even though millions of people left Twitter in 2023 – and millions more are ready to move as soon as there's a viable alternative – the fediverse isn't growing.1 One reason why: today's fediverse is unsafe by design and unsafe by default – especially for Black and Indigenous people, women of color, LGBTAIQ2S+ people2, Muslims, disabled people and other marginalized communities. ‌

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[-] thenexusofprivacy@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 11 months ago

I didn't say the fediverse has come a long way. I said that many people on well-moderated instances have good experiences -- which has been true since 2017. In general though I'd say there was a brief period of rapid progress on this front in the early days of Mastodon in 2016/2017, and since then progress has been minimal. Lemmy for example has much weak moderation functionality than Mastodon. Akkoma, Bonfire, Hubzilla etc are better but have minimal adoption.

And @originallucifer Ipeople have been complaining about this for years -- it was an issue in 2011 with Diaspora, 2016 with Gnu social, 2017 with Mastodon, etc etc etc -- so it's not a matter of fediverse software as a whole being in its infancy. Even Lemmy's been around for almost four years at this point. It's just that the developers haven't prioritized this.

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 1 points 11 months ago

Okay, since you make me search for it, here:

As I say in the article: Despite these problems, many people on well-moderated instances have very positive experiences in today’s fediverse. Especially for small-to-medium-size instances, for experienced moderators even Mastodon’s tools can be good enough. However, many instances aren’t well-moderated. So many people have very negative experiences in today’s fediverse.

This is what I interpreted as „come a long way“. Make of it what you will.

And to your other claims: start asking yourself why the others are „better“ in your opninion but don’t have high adoption. The answer is pretty straight forward as you have been told by everyone else in this thread:

Mastodon and the fediverse works like a charm. People love it. But we need to stay focused to improve and steel against human nature.

Have a good one.

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