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this instance is aging like milk
(sh.itjust.works)
before they were defederated by beehaw due to trolling issues, thenthedonlald showed up, and now exploding heads? what is happening right now?
Sh.it is turning into a Nazi bar. The alt right trolls saw a weakness and they're now brigading the hell out of this instance. The Dude seems to be trying to fence sit on extremely vitriolic transphobia and refusing to listen to the trans folks who are trying to warn everyone that nothing good comes from engaging with a certain level of asshole. The only productive way forward at this point is to defederate exploding heads but at this point I don't think it's going to happen so I'm just going to grab some popcorn and watch as his great Democratic experiment meets the reality of discourse on the Internet.
Literally where? I've been browsing fairly regularly for at least the last week or so and haven't seen anything even slightly Nazi-ish.
Also the internet is not a physical space, the way the work is not the same.
Literally this.
There was only one guy posting in The Donald.
Sh.itjust.works is overwhelmingly left leaning and is devoid of any conservative discord better yet any nazi content.
If it takes one person speaking out of line to get defederated then we've lost the point of why to have a federated system in the first place.
If we start losing our heads whenever someone says something then you negate the 10,000 other post and comments that are made about hobbies, interest, & questions that are helping people.
4chan will remain a back bone of the internet because they keep this at there core. When people hear 4chan they think /pol/ but they forget all the other boards that are on the site. If lemmy doesn't want to get drowned out in a sea of "what could of been" alternatives then we have to be what reddit wasn't.
Wait, so who is joining this instance a lot? Do I need to start sorting by local new posts? I haven't seen much of anything.
It's honestly just a few trolls given more attention than they deserve. There was a good meme about it but I can't find it now.
https://sh.itjust.works/post/420582 this one?
Yes, thank you.
Oh. So just like in the regular news...
You just missed the actual Nazi troll in this comment section, mods dealt with them but their display name should still be visible, they posted a swastika flag and a picture of Hitler with their comment.
Are you expecting admins to simultaneously grow huge networks / compete with reddit while preventing your eyes from beholding any bad content for a few minutes? If so I think you may just have unrealistic expectations.
Or maybe you would rather be on a small server that federates with very few other instances and heavily vets each user. Thats the only way I can imagine you getting what you want right now. With time I'm sure fediverse mod tools will mature, but for now I just don't understand how this is a realistic expectation at all.
Admins are not omnipotent. The sooner you report, the sooner it goes away. Some people are wasting time screen capping and boosting the hate, instead of not feeding the trolls. This was just kind of understood in the early days of the internet. It's a bit of a wilderness and when hate pops up its not because the admin maliciously wanted it there.
I miss the old days when you could just not feed the trolls. Now people try to silence them, fight trolling with hate disguised as the moral high ground. Many new Lemmy users are so used to the echo chambers and carefully moderated garden of eden that is Reddit. I just wish they would create their own instance, vet the users, and vet who they federated to. But I also predict that if they got big enough they would try to impose their morals on every federated instance.
And in less than an hour. So what's the problem? Even beehaw will get a few trolls who slip through their vetting process.
Mods are kicking them out and the users are down-voting them.
I do not understand why people are giving trolls this much power.
I think education is the answer here, not moderation. People need to learn to stop feeding the trolls. They will go away.
Edit: I'm not saying the comment shouldn't have been deleted, because I'm glad it was. But trolls are only doing it for the "lulz", and if you don't feed them they will go somewhere else.
That seems to be the consensus but I don't see where it comes from yet? This latest thing seems to have happened over the course of a day and their last message is 2 days ago.
For the "the donald" thing they appeared after a bit like "hey, catching up on everything, obviously it's gonna go". Seems likely the same would happen here? Just feels like a busy regular guy who could use some mods.
Unless there's some non-public stuff I'm not aware of as a newcomer?
It's been going on for most of the server's lifespan. The vote to defederate exploding heads was a week ago now, and afaik the dude hasn't commented on it yet. Admins for the instance have said "we need more time".
IDK. I like this account but I think I'm going to close it off and go to another instance, maybe I'll return if this one gets its "sh.it" together. It'd be one thing to be given a reason for disregarding the vote - then I could decide if I agree or not - but the radio silence feels disrespectful given the nature of the request.
I see, that is concerning.
Reminds me of a shopkeeper who just told a shoplifter known and flagged by other shopkeepers to leave as soon as she came in.