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[-] Cringe2793@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

Men do understand it. We live through it every day. It's the women who need to understand it. It's the women who seem to think that men have great lives and everything is given to them. That's not the case at all.

[-] SamuraiBeandog@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

Men might understand that they are unhappy, but I don't think most men blame that on the cultural ideals of masculity that are pushed on them their whole lives. If most men do understand that, then why do they struggle so much to change? The common messaging in men's mental health is usually around telling men that it is ok to have feelings, ok to talk about them, ok to cry and show emotions. If men understand that they are being victimised by other men (and themselves) and the social pressures to conform, why is it so difficult to get those messages through to them?

And I mean, the fact that you feel the need throw blame on women here (who are also victimised by the same system) seems like you're not actually blaming the patriarchy?

[-] Aqarius@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

men understand that they are being victimised by other men (and themselves)

throw blame on women here (who are also victimised by the same system)

You seem to conflate "men" and "patriarchy".

[-] Cringe2793@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Yup, I was trying to think of a way to say this succinctly, but you've done it. It's sad that the majority of the thinking here is "y'all are doing this to yourselves". I think I've basically given up trying to argue this point with people already. Seems like a lost cause, and not something that will change in my lifetime.

[-] adrian783@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

ehhhh. often it comes out as "I'm unhappy because of women". it takes a special kind of introspection to really understand that you're participating in and probably reinforcing the system that you're suffering from.

[-] Globeparasite@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

incels are not representative of anyone

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