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In this case it was a straw man argument.
The conversation was about how all labor is skilled labor, then you brought up an entirely audacious hyperbole about a specific career field and argued against your own example. Yes, surgeons need more training than a burger flipper, and yes, they deserve apt compensation for that disparity in time and expertise, but that does not mean that the burger flipper is "unskilled" or that the surgeon would be any more capable of flipping burgers because of their training to be a surgeon. Your "demonstration" was irrelevant to the topic at hand and constituted a bad faith argument. That is what you were being called out on, not the content of the argument itself.
Let's take a look at the original thesis from @unfreeradical, shall we:
I consider 'skill' to be measurable by the amount of time needed to acquire it. You can take somebody fresh out of high school, and turn him into a competent fry cook in a month, but not into a competent surgeon. Hence the surgeon requires both more skill, as well as different skills. Therefore the surgeon/fry-cook example is a counterexample to the thesis, and thus disproves the thesis.
I never said that burger flippers are unskilled, or that they need no training, just that 1 month is enough to learn how to do it. So, basically you're misrepresenting my argument to claim I've used a straw man argument.
No. They said that labor did not require more or less skill. They did not say that all labor is skilled labor. You, ironically, are fighting the straw man.
It was a strawman, or if you prefer, a bogeyman.
It's not a strawman just because you miss the point so entirely.
Your point is that if you needed surgery, then you would want it performed other than by a cook with a dirty spatula.
Your point is meaningless.
No one suggested that someone performing surgery would not be properly trained.
That wasn't my point because i didn't say that. I was explaining that the person who did was only describing how having more or less skill is true using that scenario.
Skill is not a quantity.
You identified as a quantity duration of time invested training.
You conflated an item with one of its attributes.
You can have a quantity of skill.
Skill is not a requirement for justice, nor is it something that should be denied from workers.
Skill is not a quantity, nor is it quantifiable, and your further objection embodies a straw man attack.
Apprentice, tradesman, journeyman, master.
Does an apprentice in a trade have more skill or less in his trade than a master in another trade?
Again, skills differ qualitatively.
At best one may conceive as a quantity a particular kind of skill, but not skill generally.
Ok, you concede skill can be quantified and compared. People can also have more skills than others. And, yes, generally.
No. You are dishonest.
And you are a poo poo head, g'day.