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More than 10,000 Palestinians have been killed in the month since Hamas' terrorist attacks inside southern Israel, the group's health ministry in Gaza says.

But Hamas officials say the mounting death toll, believed to include thousands of children, has not caused the group to regret its actions in southern Israel, which Israeli officials said killed 1,400 people.

In fact, Hamas leaders say that their goal was to trigger this very response and that they're still hoping for a bigger war. It's all part of a strategy, they say, to derail talks over Israel normalizing relations with regional powers — namely, Saudi Arabia — and draw the world's attention to the Palestinian cause.

Hamas, these officials say, is more interested in the destruction of Israel than what it sees as the temporary hardships faced by Palestinians under Israeli bombardment.

"What could change the equation was a great act, and without a doubt, it was known that the reaction to this great act would be big," Khalil al-Hayya, a member of the group's governing politburo, told The New York Times in an interview.

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[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

Hamas is not Palestinians. Hamas steals aid meant for Palestinians. They embed themselves in civilian areas. They take investments that other groups make to improve Palestinian lives, and dismantle them to use for weaponry. They stockpile food, medicine, and water and don't share it with civilians when Israel cuts off those crucial resources.

The leaders of Hamas are rich fucks living cushy lives in the UAE and could not care less about Palestinians. This isn't some freedom fighter group that's out of options. It's terrorists who purposely co-opt language from peaceful protestors to make them sound like extremists.

[-] ninjan@lemmy.mildgrim.com 5 points 2 years ago

I agree in general, but let's not pretend they have 0 support from Palestinians, or that there are no Palestinians active in Hamas. Israel sees them as one and the same as evidenced by their indiscriminate bombings. Just as Hamas sees all Israelis as violent settlers and directly responsible for massacres like Deir Yassin and the Nakba in general. Neither which is true, of course. All military, paramilitary and terrorist organizations work hard to dehumanize and generalize their opposition to ruthless brutes when that in reality is only a small part of the actual people involved and impacted by the conflict. For every ruthless murderer killed on either side hundreds or thousands of innocent die.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

To me it's immaterial that some Palestinians support and are part of them. You would need a significant level of support for it to be significant. Israel tries to paint everyone the same to justify their acts, but it's absolutely incorrect.

What I mean in general though is Hamas is a terrorist organization, not a liberation front. They aren't freedom fighters with their backs against the wall and out of options. They're just craven butchers.

[-] ninjan@lemmy.mildgrim.com 2 points 2 years ago

Sure. I agree on your description of Hamas.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Glad to hear it!

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

You're talking about israel not Hamas.

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