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Hamas tried to send fighters to Egypt in ambulances for wounded Gazans — US official
(www.timesofisrael.com)
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Fighters need medical treatment like anyone else when they get wounded, just saying ...
Nah. Terrorists who cut people's heads off can have medical treatment when they surrender.
I wish it was as simple as good vs evil. Sorry to tell you but the world is not a lotr movie, in fact it´s quite complicated ...
There's no need to be cutting civilian's heads off regardless of your back story. That is evil.
That is an obvious and trivial truth that I of course agree with. However, murdering innocent palestinian olive farmers, to steal their land and build illegal settlements on it also seems pretty evil, right?
They won’t answer, because they can’t see Palestinians as humans.
I didn't say anything about either side. All I said is cutting people's heads off is evil. I also specifically mentioned civilians without stating a side. Great assumptions though.
For the record both sides are monsters. Whether they were driven to it in your opinion or not. And the civilians on both sides are victims.
I see now that we in fact share the same opinion.
Sorry then. The previous poster mentioned be headings that weren’t verified.
Obviously
Not in this case...
In any case!
There are many people on both sides who see it the way you do. Funny part is, what side is good and what side is evil changes, based on who you ask. Based on individual perspective, ones terrorist is another ones freedom fighter. Please understand that ones judgement is only a personal, subjective opinion and never an objective truth and that one atrocity can never justify another atrocity.
I never said it was simple. But Hamas murdered completely innocent civilians - including babies - that they actively and intentionally targeted. They are irredeemable monsters.
IDF does the same though
It is simple. Want medical treatment, surrender. Want to conduct acts of terror FAFO
Yeah these people killed and raped babies. Then they laughed about it. They don't deserve shit until they surrender.
Those stories regarding killing babies have been shown conclusively to be false, and the journalists responsible have publicly retracted the statements and apologized for the disinformation.
There were definitely dead babies wtf do you mean? Has "there were no 40 beheaded babies" now morphed into "no dead babies at all" or what?
I wish it was as simple as good vs evil. Sorry to tell you but the world is not a lotr movie, in fact it´s quite complicated ...
No it's not, see the reaction of journalists/politicians who attended the screening of 43 minutes of 7-Oct atrocities...
Both sides have been in an exchange of atrocities for decades now. What is your point?
I never said it was. The world is full of shades of grey.
But the way this group has tried to resist oppression is despicable and cannot be excused.
@photonic_sorcerer @Nacktmull It can't be excused yet. No one is working diligently to liberate Palestine from Israel. No one has in decades
True, and yet non-violent revolutions have succeded in the past. Hamas wants to raze Israel from the face of the earth. They have no place in a civilized society.
I fully agree but wonder why you don´t mention the other half of this truth. Obviously human slaughtering terrorists have no place in a civilized society. However, it must also be said that there is no place in a civilized society for right-extremist-racists, who murder residents and occupy their land to build illegal settlements.
Agreed
@photonic_sorcerer I would agree with you except for the fact that Israel learned from that, and outlawed peaceful protesting. Yeah, if you peacefully protest against Israel in Israel, they'll throw you in prison. They made their own problem here.
Israel has proven that all they learned from the Holocaust was how to do it better
Bruh
Source?
@photonic_sorcerer oh btw, saying "Hamas wants to raze Israel from the earth", while Israel builds settlements, refusing to negotiate, commits ethnic cleansing, and brutalizes Palestinians in a myriad of other ways proves you have no idea what's going on over there
You first comment seemed to imply a different worldview, apologies.
Of course it can´t. There is guerrilla warfare and then there is barbaric slaughtering of helpless civilians. Those are absolutely not the same.
Youre talking about israel, right? The people that have been reported doing that for decades?
Nobody’s raping babies.
Source? Who am I kidding, you made it up
"Israeli forces in Kfar Aza and Be'eri[112] reported that they found bodies of victims mutilated. One IDF commander told a reporter from i24 News that 40 babies had been killed, out of what one estimate described as at least 100 civilian victims.[113][93][114][115][116][117]"
Thanks for taking the time. But there was no mention of them raping babies.
If you keep reading the wiki page, there is.
Read it twice. No raped babies. Did a word search for rape and babies. Horrific tales of Palestinian girls in Israeli jails.
Fact Check on the beheadings and raping
Like you said later, the world isn't simple good and evil. If they don't surrender, they don't get treatment. The IDF would hardly treat a member of Hamas and Hamas would hardly treat a member of the IDF. A group treating civilians can tell members of both to fuck off.
Nope, doctors even swear to not do that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath
World isn't simple good and evil. They may have a symbolic oath, but nothing says everyone else has to follow it.
But you're not entitled to enter Egypt to get it if your a member of Hamas, as the Muslim Brotherhood and it's offshoots are banned there.
Every injured person deserves treatment, no exceptions, anything else would be inhumane.
Would you force Germany to admit a Nazi if they were sick?
What do you mean by admit? You mean to treat? Yes of course. As I said, imo every sick or injured person deserves medical treatment, no matter their background. Also, when they are healthy again, I would want to see that Nazi getting put in front of a court, questioned, convicted and punished as the law dictates.
Admit, to allow to enter.
Yes of course I would, how else could they convict him for his crimes?
Egypt doesn't want to admit people from a group that successfully terrorized their whole nation for an extended period of time. They have no interest in convicting them.