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this post was submitted on 25 Jun 2023
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Who defederated now?
Nobody de-federated. People saw that there was a the_Donald community on sh.itjust.works + a lot of people from said server defending it ("just ignore it bro"). That triggered probably bad memories ala spez defending t_D because of "VaLuABlE DiSCuSsIoN", while they brigaded and harrased countless people during their time on Reddit. Some people got a little bit carried away and demanded de-federation and a couple of trolls throw gazoline in the fire.
A community does not have a right to exist on a certain person's server. They should delete The_Donald and move on.
The community got deleted by the admin.
Based.
It got deleted quite quickly. By the time I saw the local community post about it it was already gone.
Beehaw defederated sh.itjust.works and I think Lemmy.world
Please, Curb Your Enthusiasm.
Yeah but it was before the story with T_D happened and for different reasons
This is one of the personal fears I have about society's where 'the mob' decides. Most people haven't had their fate decided by a mob before and so might not know what this means or how it pans out most of the time.
I believe it is imperative that we have something in place to avoid mob actions - not a central authority per say but possibly a collective code we all believe in and abide by. We could perhaps establish what is (un)acceptable on a fediversal (universal) scale and what is (un)acceptable on a local instances (instances decide this themselves obv.)
In the future we might need Lemmy/ActivityPub to be able to define posts/accounts/communities that are accessible across the Fediverse and those that are only accessible to users of that instance.
Hence we wouldn't have the problem where for instance: members of one instance think pictures of furries is not NSFW content but members from other instances think it is
I’ll never understand this moral handwringing about mob rule.
No one is burning witches. There’s no value to having a bunch of neo-nazi perspectives. They’re not useful, productive or worth platforming.
This. No fucking nazis that should be banned automatically whenever they try to start any community.
Fuckers can stay on true social or whatever the hell trump calls his platform and stay away from Lemmy.
You realize a major purpose of federation is so that content can't be censored so easily by a central authority? This isn't Twitter. If you need a safe space, the fediverse isn't for you.
This is exactly the space for creating all sorts of spaces. No one needs to federate with you here. It's up to instance owners and there's plenty of instances.
Nazi trash can stay entirely off any instance that I'm on and if they show up and nothing is done I'll go elsewhere. Period.
You could read Karl Popper's The Paradox of Tolerance.
There's no need to debate Nazism or Fascism with Nazis and Fascists. The education on it should come from historians and those otherwise educated in it.
When we censor Nazis we win. When we let them into our spaces we lose.
You simultaneously reject it and believe he wrote it to prove how unsustainable it is?
You're entirely wrong. No ideas need to be shared where people don't want to hear them. You are free to speak and I am free to not listen. It's truly a beautiful approach.
Edit: I'd also like to add that the paradox Popper is referring to is that of tolerating intolerance. That's the paradox.
Okay you clearly haven't understood it.
It's called the paradox of tolerance. Tolerating intolerance is the paradox. So it says you can't tolerate intolerance.
No it doesn't. This argument works only if you assume that "intolerance" is something that can be defined as "anyone against anything I'm doing".
If fascists were able to say "they're being oppressive of my desire to exclude them from our society" then that's not a flaw in the paradox but their reasoning abilities. Any philosophy is irrelevant then.
The argument boils down to "it's impossible to know if the opposing side is truly being intolerant." You say it is impossible. I say it isn't.
The deep divisiveness comes from the shitty ideas that should have been shunned long ago and instead were left to fester.
You don't care about instances loke Exploding Heads or their awful ideas because you're unaffected by them so you can hold these lofty perfect ideals instead of facing the reality of the situation.
Opposing and shunning hate speech is not fascism and your argument depends on pretending to be unable to see the difference between hate and disagreement.
Allow me to illucidate the simplicity of this in reality:
I'm sorry I didn't realize I was talking to an idiot. That's my bad. That's on me.
"You, person who opposes Nazi ideology, would ackshually support it" Brilliant detective work there pal.
Edit: Also wanted to add but was busy. The Nazi party never achieved anything close to majority support. They peaked at 37% and were declining to 33% during the last free and fair election. No one likes Nazis. Not even Germans in the 30s and 40s.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party_election_results
Congratulations! You have made an example of Godwin's Law!
/srs
I apologize if that came off as sarcastic, I genuinely just like it when internet phenomena happen. (Or other memetic funsies)