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I'm not the one playing word games by calling this war genocide.
War is indeed terrible. Civilians, especially the poor, are always the ones suffering the most in any war.
That doesn't make every war genocide, and that language has consequences.
War is between two armies, so why is Isreal cutting off food, water and electricity to the entire population? Why can't the people of Gaza leave? Why does Isreal control every facet of life in the strip? Why does Isreal use tanks against kids with rocks?
It's not war when one side is trapped without basic utilities and the other is a well funded army.
This is how war is fought. It is standard US doctrine, for instance.
Their neighbors won't take them after some refugees attempted coups and formed terrorist organizations. I personally disagree with viewing all Palestinian refugees as inherently dangerous, but their neighbors do not.
They're using tanks against combined-arms forces that include current-generation, high-tech weaponry. It says a lot about your ignorance of Hamas that you think they're made up of "kids with rocks." This isn't 2014.
It is literally a war crime to do collective punishment. And I'm not sure why you would appeal to what the US does. My country is responsible for numerous atrocities, including genocide.
I... am honestly at a loss for words here. I don't think you realize how damming this thought process is. Of course it's not 2014, but Isreal has been killing Palestinian kids with rocks has been occurring since then (like srsly, this is recent history). But somehow this is "just a war"?
Restricting movement and controlling all facets of life in the strip has had obvious effects on the people being controlled. How exactly did we come to the point where Israel is at war with people they control? Where the water in Isreal is clean but the facilties in Gaza are polluted. What infrastructure can be built when Israel controls the imports to the area? What country can be formed when Isreal repeatedly annexs territory to their settlers? I wasn't referring to refugees being accepted to other countries, I am talking about the walls prevent people from leaving.
This isn't a war, but a trapped exploited people striking back at their oppressors. I'm not pleased about the violence, but it would be childish to tell these Palestinians to continue peaceful marches when they are killed in mass for doing so.
I stopped at "collective punishment" because this isn't what that means.
I can guess what the rest says and it's the same tripe, probably insinuating I eon care bout Palestinians etc while also defending Hamas
Edit: lol saw this at the end tho when I posted
Called it
I am not suprised, yet still disappointed, that you continue to play semantics. But I suppose there isn't much else you can do when the goal is to defend the unconsciousable.
One day I hope you will think both more critically of the things you say and the stances you are forced to take in service of your views.
I don't care about where terrorist supporters think
Look at the comment ratio on this person's profile.
I know that can be a cheap shot at times, but when you're talking about someone with roughly 3500 comments and 2200 "karma" you get the general sense this is more about mentally masterbating through having intentionally antagonist viewpoints while simultaneously grandstanding like they posses the insurmountable moral high ground.
You are never going to reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into, no matter how good your intentions might be. Especially when the other person is a bad faith actor that gets off to LARPing as an "Ohio Liberal" while at the same time going out of their way to post HUNDREDS of comments justifying war crimes & atrocities against a marginalized civilian population.
There is no scenario where this person is not enjoying the dopamine hit from justifying human suffering. It is literally a game and generally indicative of underlying sociopathic tendencies. You are only hurting yourself by engaging with that kind of vapid egotism.
You're absolutely right and this is a trap that I fall in to a lot. It's hard to let go through out the day as I keep wanting to find the "right words". I had to go off social media entirely during Trump because it was too easy to lose my time to nothing arguments. Honestly it's probally shades of OCD or ADHD that bring me back.
I was starting noticing the trend here, but I appreciate the reality check. ♥ 💕