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[-] krellor@kbin.social 58 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So your comment made me go "lol, imagine buying a house in Russia." Meaning my preconceptions were that most in Russia didn't have the means to own a home.

But then I'm like, I don't actually know that, let's check it out.

According to this site home ownership in Russia is over 90%. So what you outlined is a real problem for people there, and changes some of my mental picture of Russian life.

The more you know!

[-] Skua@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

I suppose 30 years of mostly declining population has probably significantly reduced the pressure on the housing supply

[-] uis@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I still have question how even stagnated population would even pressure housing supply at all.

[-] Mkengine@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

I was wondering the same thing for Germany, our population is stagnating, but apparently we need 400,000 new apartments per year (according to our government). Maybe because there are more divorces and singles nowadays who want to live alone?

[-] Skua@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Germany's population has actually increased by almost four million in the past ten years, so that number of new apartments seems pretty reasonable at the moment. There will always be some homes that need replaced each year too, if they become unsuitable for living or are converted to non-residential purposes

[-] Mkengine@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

You are right, maybe the y-axis of the diagram I remember was scaled for a larger range and it looked like it was stagnating, but with those numbers it really seems reasonable.

[-] Skua@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

The numbers for Germany do often look weird after reuinification. In 2011 Germany realised it actually had 1.5 million fewer people than it thought it did. It hadn't actually done a full census since reunification, and over 24 years in the west and 30 years in the east plus the difficulty of combining the two sets of records, errors built up

Yep. If more people were shaking up together. It would reduce the pressure on housing. Though I would suspect that people owning multiple houses might also have an impact on this number.

[-] netwren@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

90% sounds really high? At least compared to the states where it seems a vast majority is renting??

No idea the data on this, just going off my anecdotal experience.

90% own houses, but evidently a much lower percentage also own a washing machine, judging from the souvenirs the conscripts have been bringing home

[-] Ildar@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

🤦🏻‍♂️

[-] krellor@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

I was surprised as well. It would be worth confirming the dates from a second source, but there are some ready possible explanations for it as well. It could show a large number of multigenerational households. It could relate to the distribution of the population in high and low cost areas (rural vs urban likely). So it does seem high, but not impossible.

Cheers!

[-] ninjan@lemmy.mildgrim.com 11 points 1 year ago

Another large factor is that it was communism up until relatively recently. Meaning wealth was largely evenly distributed outside the very top of the party. Not that people were well off, but far more equal than we are in the west. And while the oligarchs have an extremely outsized percentage of all Russian wealth buying real estate would make little sense in Russia, that would 1) put their position in Russia in danger by painting a target on them 2) a horrible hedge given Russia isn't the most stable economy. In total I think 90% sounds extremely reasonable. Though the average house standard is of course far lower than say Germany.

[-] krellor@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

That seems reasonable. I also think it stems from my idea of ownership being a standalone house, and didn't include things like owned apartments, flats, condos, etc that would make up a large state of ownership in big cities.

[-] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

It's complicated by the fact a lot of flats were privatized after the fall of USSR. It's like a boomer situation in the US. Many still live in what their parents claimed.

[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

Hold on, 90%? I guess that would include the whole family in the home as the home owners, because otherwise that is an insane amount of single occupant dwellings.

[-] uis@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

This number aligns with my personal experience

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