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iPhones have been exposing your unique MAC despite Apple’s promises otherwise — “From the get-go, this feature was useless,” researcher says of feature put into iOS 14::“From the get-go, this feature was useless,” researcher says of feature put into iOS 14.

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[-] netchami@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago
[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 8 points 1 year ago

Step 1: Give the surveillance company money

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 6 points 1 year ago
  1. I doubt they make much, if any money, on the hardware. I paid ~$100 for my P7 w/ P5 trade-in

  2. They make the most open and secure hardware, full stop.

[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago
[-] netchami@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The Murena 2 doesn't have a secure element like Pixels do with their Titan M chip. That is also the reason why the Graphene devs don't bother with porting their OS to phones like the Fairphone or Murena. The only Android phone that can be as secure if not more secure than an iPhone is the Google Pixel running GrapheneOS. Edit: You can watch this video to learn why a secure element is important for maintaining good security: https://piped.video/watch?v=yTeAFoQnQPo

[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

The Titan M chip is a Trusted Platform Module. The pixel phone isn't the only one to have that. How To Geek has a simple explanation. Stock Android can take advantage of it from the get go thanks to the hardware backed keystore.

Verified boot is not Google Pixel related either. It's been there since Android 4.4. It isn't hardware related either as standard PCs have something similar: UEFI which allows secure boot. Here's a great article on how it works with linux.

The rest of the video focuses on software related security, not hardware. I find it very hard to believe that no other vendor doesn't fulfill the specs required for GrapheneOS. Honestly, I believe the devs just want to limit the amount of work they have for themselves, which is fine, but they don't have to go to the lengths of claiming "Google is the only vendor to make secure hardware". That just doesn't seem believable at all.

[-] netchami@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

AFAIK the Titan M series is by far the strongest implementation that can be found in a phone. I'm not aware of any other commercially available chip that has support for so many security features like Insider Attack resistance, the Weaver API, Android Strongbox, etc. Also, there are still many phones on the market, that don't have a secure element at all.

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 2 points 1 year ago

...yes? Was there something you wanted to add?

[-] netchami@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Better than giving them your data. They can't use your money to ruin your life, but they can very well do that with your data.

[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

You're kidding right? Money can't ruin lives?

[-] netchami@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

It definitely can. But Google won't randomly spend money in order to ruin your life. They will do that with your data though as can be seen in many unfortunate cases like these: https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/google-geofence-location-data-avondale-wrongful-arrest-molina-gaeta-11426374 https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/21/technology/google-surveillance-toddler-photo.html And it's not just Google. Any data you expose can and will at some point be used to absolutely fuck you. The Snowden leaks have proven this.

[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

That's a direct impact, for sure, but money gives them power to build better surveillance, influence the public, influence politics, buy up competition and so much more. They affect you indirectly and over a much longer time-period.

[-] SatyrSack@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

Check out Swappa

[-] lnxtx@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago

Pixels are too expensive. And you will support private data hungry evil company.

[-] netchami@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Pixels are too expensive.

My Pixel 6a was 300 bucks, it's not that expensive and I get security updates until 2027. With 8th Generation Pixels even getting 7 years of updates.

And you will support private data hungry evil company.

Pixels are the only phones that allow you to fully erase everything related to Google and at the same time keep good security.

[-] zik@zorg.social 11 points 1 year ago
[-] lnxtx@feddit.nl 6 points 1 year ago

Compared to the other Android-based phone manufacturers.

Privacy shouldn't be so expensive.

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