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Baldur's Gate 3
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Baldur’s Gate 3 is a story-rich, party-based RPG set in the universe of Dungeons & Dragons, where your choices shape a tale of fellowship and betrayal, survival and sacrifice, and the lure of absolute power. (Website)
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It's worth noting that this guy is talking not of old Bethesda but modern Bethesda. The writing team behind Morrowind and half of Oblivion absolutely cared about the details that only 1% of people might see. Morrowind especially is a world built around you exploring the world building. It's not about levelling up (wowee I can miss the flying fuckheads 2% less now), it was about exploring the politics and cultures in the world.
At some point, Bethesda games became about the mechanical exploration, about going over there because that looks like it might be interesting, oh it's just a cave with combat in it oh well maybe over there will be interesting.
Skyrim was a blight on the games industry.
Skyrim is a great game.... for its time. Todd Howard is the blight on the games industry for putting so many resources toward so many Skyrim remasters/re-releases/money grabs. Even if he outsourced all that work, those are dev houses he could have spent their time helping Bethesda actually fill their huge open worlds and perhaps get the same feeling of "every decision actually matters" that Larion did.
It's good in some ways. I was disappointed in the removal of attributes and how the equipment stats were kind of simplified and boring. The lack of proper stat scaling, since there's no stats.
I was also sad to see spellmaking go.
There's still plenty of good in it, don't get me wrong.
Skyrim is great if you want to be a stealth archer.
Is there any other way to play?
every build is viable. the stealth archer meme seems a bit overdone to me.
No. That’s why it’s the only time Skyrim is a good game.
Skyrim is twelve years old.
And the stagnation it caused in the genre is evident, no?
No. Dragon Age: Inquisition, The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt, and Baldur's Gate 3 all draw influence from Skyrim. I think open world games are better because of Skyrim.
Dragon Age: Inquisition and Witcher 3 both began development in the same year Skyrim released. I don't know if I can really say they were influenced by Skyrim because of the timing, but I haven't played either.
Baldur's Gate 3 drawing influence from Skyrim I will have to vehemently disagree with. That assertion just makes no sense at all.
That one was tough without /s, but ha ha. :)
FWIW, one of the lead developers of Dragon Age Inquisition confirmed that a lot of decisions around that game were EA wanting them to make Skyrim (for instance, the addition of mounts) Source: https://youtu.be/4Q5_RsII_Ho?si=a9CTmyHpEpgfuPTe
Are you saying none of the developers played Skyrim? Even if you're designing to not be Skyrim, you're still influenced by it.
Are you saying none of the Skyrim’s developers played Baldur’s Gate 1 and 2? Did you?
Did RPG game developers play an RPG before developing an RPG? Yes. That's how influences work. I didn't play BG1 or BG2 because I was a child.
So, what the point of your comment about Skyrim then ?
Maybe you should begin with that before saying Skyrim had any influence on BG3, don't you think?
My point was that Skyrim didn't ruin RPGs because there still exists demand for RPGs and quality content. Without seminal games like Skyrim, you don't get proper investment in games like BG3.
What are you even trying to say? BG3 wouldn't exist without Skyrim? did you ever play Diablo 1 or 2? World Of Warcraft during Burning Crusade or Wrath Of The Lich King?
Skyrim didn't bring anything new. Skyrim is just a drop in the ocean, with no impact on Baldur's Gate 3, as there were tons of greater and more impactful games before that.
In the form it is today? No. You don't get $100M to develop the game if you don't have previous titles selling 60M copies.
Now we're talking about money? Do you have the slightest idea of how much of a cash cow WoW have been for Blizzard since 2004? In 2010 WoW had more than 10 millions subscribers. $100m a month, not counting the price of the expansion packs.
What about GTA? 400 millions copies sold.
Skyrim could have failed miserably, you'd still be able to play BG3 in is exact same form as today. Skyrim is no exception. As a matter of fact, Skyrim wouldn't exist if it was not for previous successful games.
You are overly and pointlessly focused on Skyrim.
Howso?
People enjoy shitting on things and loudly, hyperbolicly saying that they are objectively bad and the worst thing ever. Especially Skyrim.
It's ok to not like the game or even hate it. Doesn't make it objectively bad or somehow the downfall of video games.
I was very disappointed with the lack of cities. I wish i had oblivion in skyrim.
Eh, let op make the point before jumping on it like this.
So many games wanted to be the next Skyrim, and so they brought over a lot of its systems and design choices. Including the bad ones.
The flood of games going open world, reliance on mods, and marketing through memes.
I can't think of many games that do that. I can't really think of anyone that tries to be like Bethesda games in the bad ways.