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Gaza hospitals ceasing to function as water and fuel run out
(www.theguardian.com)
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Because they shouldn’t have to leave their homes.
I get that. Hell they shouldn't have Hamas using them as shields either just bc they elected Hamas. I get it.
But "shouldn't have to" and reality are clashing. And if the option is refugee or civilian deaths then I'd rather they lived.
It would be mathematically impossible for them to have elected Hamas since 50% of them are 18 and younger, and the last election was held over 17 years ago.
And the reason the last election was held so long ago was that after Hamas won elections in Gaza, the west supported a coup that failed and entrenched Hamas in power.
I'd debate that with you, but it distracts from the point. Civilians need a path to refuge and not be forced to stay in rhe Hamas/Israeli warzone.
If they want to stay, go for it. But lots of people who don't want to see their families die, have no way out by design and to the delight of both Hamas and Netanyahu.
You do realize this is advocating for genocide - the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group.
Saving their lives is not advocating for genocide. Giving civilians no exit a warzone is. How is that unclear to you? I can't tell if you're just trolling at this point.
It’s 2.2 million people. It’s a logistical nightmare. Any country/countries that take them in will have a drain on their resources. They will need aid. Or, just spitballing here, Israel could just stop.
And that should happen with them until Israel listens to reason and stops? Because if they stay in Gaza more will die.
It's 2.2m or 2.3m people. Remember Syria? That was 5 millions leaving the country so cut the crap about it being impossible.
I didn’t say it was impossible, it’s impractical. The easier solution is for the world to pressure Israel to stop the bombing.
You're still dodging the issue.
What. Happens. In. The. Meantime?
They won't stop in the next 5 minutes or the next hour or the next day. What do you do to protect the people until the bombing stops?
How many Ukrainians refugees got sent to other countries? Hint: A whole lot more than 2.3 millions.
Ask Israel.
So we should have told all Ukrainians to stay in Ukraine? Same for Syrians? Same for all refugees no matter where they're from? Let's send them back home, it's the aggressor's responsibility not to kill civilians!
I’m not in charge. I gave you my opinion. You don’t like it. What difference will it make if I change my opinion. None. Learn.
The West, particularly the US where I am, has way more power to stop Israel than it has to force Egypt to accept refugees. They don't need to "listen to reason" they need to be told to stop or we'll stop propping up your entire economy and defense apparatus.
Ok? They won't stop in the next hour or two, how do we protect the civilians until they do?
Are you suggesting it's quicker to relocate 2 million people than it is to get a dependent colony to stop committing genocide?
Right now we're moving zero people to safety, both should be done at the same time, moving them somewhere safe AND getting Israel to stop the genocide, what you're arguing in favor of is facilitating the genocide by keeping all the victims at Israel's reach.
No, what I'm arguing in favor of is doing something we actually we actually have the power to do. Of course Palestinians who want to leave should be able to do so, but unless you're suggesting that we should send a massive convoy of boats to pick up hundreds of thousands of fleeing Palestinians, we have no power to help them get to safety. Even if we could force Egypt to to accept refugees, we would have to get Israel to open the Rafah Crossing which would take as much time as it would to get them to stop bombing entirely.
I think at this point, the genocide is in progress. Like the caregivers in this article, what we're discussing is triage.
I think it's unconscionable to evacuate the Gaza strip, because we all know that the intention is to never allow the refugees to return. But I would like the Palestinians of Gaza to have the option to choose whether to survive in exile or die in their homes.
I believe that the Palestinian identity can survive in a diaspora. But that's all academic. These people deserve the option to escape, even regardless of what it means for the future of their ethnic group. It's a painful choice, but it should be there's.
If some decide to stay, what happens to them? Does the world condemn them to death because it’s too problematic to deal with? Does the world force them at gunpoint? Israel has the power to stop this, it’s the easier path.
Oh wow, how magnanimous of you.