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- All workers must be paid a living wage for their labor.
- Income inequality is the main cause of lower living standards.
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- Higher wages for underpaid workers.
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This is the third big strike I've seen and been like "wow this wouldn't effect me at all".
Hollywood? I'd rather it go out of business.
American Auto Union? Anyone buying American cars is a dumbass.
And for this one....
Household chores? I do all those myself.
Schools? No kids.
Hospitals? Not sick.
Maybe retail workers and pharmacists. They'd have to strike on a weekend though.
And broadly I'd benefit greatly from half the labor market dropping out. Keep on striking. Never stop.
That's a pretty self-centred take
Unionization leads to better working conditions and pay outside of their own membership in a "rising tides lift all boats" kind of way
A rising tide lifts all boats but Hollywood sucks and these strikes for equal pay want me to make the same money as them despite the fact I do more work.
I wish the auto unions the best through.
That wouldn't accomplish anything because if I make more for the hours I work all of a sudden there's a pay gap again.
A pay gap for who? What the hell are you even talking about
Did you read the thread? Did you read the title of the thread? Did you read any of the previous comments?
My specific situation is not important beyond the fact that I'm a guy so I am statistically going to work more hours and to devote more of my life to work as well as choosing my career based on income rather than any sort of life satisfaction than the average woman.
They don't. When you control for career choice and hours worked the pay gap disappears.
Sounds like you are upset about your own career choices. Just because something doesn't seem like work to you doesn't mean there is no value in it. The reason they get paid more than you is because their industry generates more revenue than your and/or its shared more equally.
Who's to say you don't do more work because you are inefficient? What value do you add, should be the question. Everyone can add value in some way. Plenty of people can take but these people who are striking are the actual creators in their industry adding all the value.
Wat? When was I complaining about people making more money than me?
Again. Wat?
We're talking about statistical averages across the whole economy here. Statistically, the women protesting against the pay gap are protesting so that they get paid "equally" for less work.
Unless you want to suggest that women are generally more efficient in their labor than men are, you're talking crazy here.
And if you do want to suggest that, you're still talking crazy.
Who said the women do less work than you? They do equal work and are asking for equal pay. Are you insinuating that you can do more work than a woman possibly could? Because that's just not true.
BLS data?
They don't.
Literally nothing I said implied that that. Plenty of individual women do as much or more work than the average guy. Statistically the average woman does less.
other people exist.
That's why I started my comment with "I've"
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me."
Nobody is "coming" for anyone here.
I'm happy to see Hollywood fail because I don't like Hollywood. It needs to shatter and media needs to be produced by a more diverse set of areas across the country and not be in the hands of Disney and the screen actors/writers guild.
I'm happy to see these strikes from women fail because they're demanding an end to the wage gap (aka, they want to work less and get paid the same) and yet even more draconian "safety" laws.
I wish the auto workers the best, but their cars suck and they should all be out of business.
Imagine being so colossally stupid that you think researchers don't account for 'hours worked' when they investigate stuff like the wage gap...
When they do, along with other controls, the wage gap largely disappears.
Oh, so because of the decisions of a small group of investors, all the workers who work on the factories just to survive are to blame and should be unemployed? And women that want to have EQUAL rights (go look up the definition of the word, if you can't figure out it's meaning) should fail because of your false opinion.
God, I've seen a lot of pathetic people, but you fit in one of the lowest levels I've seen.
Ideally they'd find jobs at companies that don't make shit cars when people in mass stop buying the American ones.
Like I said. They want to work less and be paid the same. They don't want equal rights, they want special privileges.
Happy to be pathetic in your eyes. The alternative is be a thoughtless pushover.
You clearly do not, in fact, understand what the word "equal" means. They want more pay because they're paid less. But I know me explaining to you won't end your self-centered attitude and misogyny.
Pay isn't just given to you. If you don't work the same hours you shouldn't be paid the same.
If you demand you get paid the same regardless, you're a selfish asshole, not fighting for equality.
They currently aren't working the same hours. When you control for job choice and hours worked the pay gap goes away.
Yes, they are. That's the point.
At this point you're just asserting a falsehood. There is little else to say.