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Remember, the social Democrats sided with the Nazis over the socialists. They’ve done it every time they’ve been given the opportunity, and will continue to do so as many times as people fall for their shtick.

“The master's tools will never dismantle the master's house."
-Audre Lorde

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[-] EpicFailGuy@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Under TRUE capitalism the market is free but regulated as needed.

We don't live in real capitalism, there is no regulation, the oligarchy has captured the agencies that were supposed to regulate the market.

I don't even know what to call what we have, plutocracy?

[-] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

True capitalism is what we live in. Competition has winners, those winners gain outsized advantages. They use those advantages to purchase regulatory frameworks which benefit them. This is inevitable, and has happened in every single capitalist society in the history of the ideology. Monopoly is the natural end state of capitalism. (Actually, fascism is, but monopoly happens along the way also)

[-] EpicFailGuy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

I found this interesting tidbit in Wikipedia trying to find where I read my source.

  • Capitalism 1.0 during the 19th century entailed largely unregulated markets with a minimal role for the state (aside from national defense, and protecting property rights)

  • Capitalism 2.0 during the post-World War II years entailed Keynesianism, a substantial role for the state in regulating markets, and strong welfare states

  • Capitalism 2.1 entailed a combination of unregulated markets, globalization, and various national obligations by states

You're right ... It sounds like we need another paradigm shift. Fuck web 3 ... we need Capitalism 3 ...

[-] LazyCorvid 13 points 2 years ago

Or how about we just stop using capitalism?

If version 1.0 didn't work, version 2.0 didn't work and version 2.1 didn't work, then maybe the problem is capitalism itself.

[-] DarkenLM@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

Given Web 3 was a shithole of a collective delusion, maybe don't.

[-] itslilith 3 points 2 years ago

or we finally move past capitalism. It had 200 years, and it just keeps generating worse and worse crises, let's just finally accept it's not working.

[-] EpicFailGuy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

not a bad idea, what is your suggestion? Socialism seems to be working well for the European people, but we'd need some kind of check and balance so it doesn't descend into the clusterfuck they seem to be going thru (not unlike ours)

[-] itslilith 2 points 2 years ago

what do you mean, socialism in Europe? afaik no European country is socialist

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

That's what cryptobros were trying and it went about as well as you can imagine.

[-] MenKlash@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago

Under TRUE capitalism the market is free but regulated as needed.

The market can't be free if it's regulated. Any intromission of the State in any voluntary exchange is stepping in the natural rights of its citizens.

We don’t live in real capitalism, there is no regulation, the oligarchy has captured the agencies that were supposed to regulate the market.

The agencies are the oligarchy. The politicians and lobbyists benefit each other by the existence of regulations, taxation, subsidies, FIAT money, intellectual property, public licenses, monopolical privileges, etc.

Yes, we don't live in "real capitalism" (that is, in a free-market setting), we live in a corporatocracy.

[-] unnecessarygoat@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

capitalism is a broad term. if the means of production and distribution are privately held, then its capitalism

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