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The United States on Friday released a U.S. intelligence assessment sent to more than 100 countries that found Moscow is using spies, social media and Russian state-run media to erode public faith in the integrity of democratic elections worldwide.

"This is a global phenomenon," said the assessment. "Our information indicates that senior Russian government officials, including the Kremlin, see value in this type of influence operation and perceive it to be effective."

A senior State Department official, briefing reporters on condition of anonymity, said that Russia was encouraged to intensify its election influence operations by its success in amplifying disinformation about the 2020 U.S. election and the COVID-19 pandemic.

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[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

They are just pointing out the hypocrisy

They can point out that hypocrisy in their own post, instead of derailing this one.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Fine. Carry on with the foreign hate, while ignoring America’s problems. Can you at least acknowledge that the US has interfered in foreign elections? Lol

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

Fine. Carry on with the foreign hate, while ignoring America’s problems.

I have no problem discussing that, at all. Create a topic I'll be glad to add my opinion to it.

The only point I'm making is that you shouldn't be discussing two distinct points simultaneously, take them one at a time.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Jesus' statement, "Let he who is without fault cast the first stone" (John 8:7), the similar parable of the beam in the eye (Matthew 7:3) and proverbs based on it such as "He who sits in a glass house should not throw stones" are sometimes compared to whataboutism.

Even Jesus gets this. Why can’t you?

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Jesus’ statement, “Let he who is without fault cast the first stone” (John 8:7), the similar parable of the beam in the eye (Matthew 7:3) and proverbs based on it such as “He who sits in a glass house should not throw stones” are sometimes compared to whataboutism.

Even Jesus gets this. Why can’t you?

I'm actually big on forgiveness for those who are honest and earnest about redemption.

Having said that, when you say this to someone ...

Fine. Carry on with the foreign hate

That's going to get a response, from anyone who's on the receiving end of it.

Oh, and for the record, my wife is a foreigner, born and raised in another country. So hating foreigners is really not my thing.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

How did this become about you?

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

How did this become about you?

Well, ...

Fine. Carry on with the foreign hate

Oh, and for the record, my wife is a foreigner, born and raised in another country. So hating foreigners is really not my thing.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

What was the original article about anyway?

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

What was the original article about anyway?

I wasn't replying to the original article, I was replying to your comment...

Fine. Carry on with the foreign hate

... concerning your earlier comment to me in the form of a question...

Even Jesus gets this. Why can’t you?

How did this become about you?

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Didn’t you already do that?

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Moving the goal posts.

Okay so now your are making a counter point. You're saying hypocrisy invalidates A point. You're saying that if I live in a country that does shitty things that I can't criticize shitty things another country has done?

But countries aren't people. They're closer to corporations. I can criticize Pepsi while working at Coke. I don't give a shit about either countries or corps beyond the people they employ

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

It worked. The Russians won again.

Nah, you won. I can't even remember what the original article was about now.

Can we at least agree that the US and Russia are both police states, and that those are two bad things that need to change?

[-] BEDE@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Nah, this is just how a conversation works IRL. Points, counterpoints.

All parties just agreeing with each other staying on the same point is not a conversation.

Making a counterpoint can hardly be considered derailing the conversation .

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

Making a counterpoint can hardly be considered derailing the conversion.

Whataboutism is not a counterpoint. A counterpoint would be disagreeing with the original point being made, not bringing up a new point.

One point at a time is what's being advocated.

conversion

Might want to edit your comments to use the correct word.

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