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[-] Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz 14 points 1 year ago

Ignoring Jewish settlers in the West Bank, Gaza quite literally being a ghetto full of people forced off their land, the military checkpoints, the complete imbalance of deaths and suffering between the two sides.

As reprehensible as the violence is on both sides, Israel/Palestine is an apartheid state and Palestinians suffer far more than just from the effects of violence.

[-] rdri@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

What exact violence? Israel provides Gaza with stuff they need. Including pipes for the water construction, that instead are used to build rockets.

Palestinians are doing terrorism, whether they understand it or not. Israel reacts to terrorism. Do you not agree that a country should react to acts of terrorism?

[-] Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They absolutely should respond to acts of violent terrorism, and I didn't suggest they don't. However it's far from one sided.

The Gaza strip is an open air prison for over 2 million people, who can't even access, or travel for proper healthcare, where food and water are insecure or poorly available. Where you can't leave by either land or sea. Where even if you were one of the >1 million young people living there who managed to leave you'd be poor and uneducated.

But maybe you're not in Gaza. Maybe you're one of the Palestinians who live in the west bank can can barely travel without huge impediments, or may see your house demolished to make way for Israeli settlers, in what amounts to an apartheid system, widely condemned internationally by human rights organisations.

Hamas are absolutely disgusting, and the terrorist attack on Israel should be rightly condemned. But if you think Israel are the good guys here, and this is a black and white, good and evil situation you're not paying attention.

[-] rdri@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

So they are responding, there is no problem with that.

Though I find it amusing that so much effort goes into outlining the hurdles of Palestinians only.

If you want to promote better lives for Palestinians, then maybe you should've started with themselves, to let them know they shouldn't have elected terrorists their leaders. Maybe Palestinians would understand that doing terrorism will not give them any good future?

[-] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

Do you not agree that a country should react to acts of terrorism?

You're implying a false dichotomy, as though in response to a terrorist attack you either lie down and accept further attacks, or grind gaza into the dust.

[-] rdri@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

No, I'm not. Grinding Giza to the dust is not what's being done. Hamas contribute more by firing uncontrollable missiles that also tend to fall in Gaza.

But you are implying a reality where every single sane person should ignore the existence and terrorism of hamas and Palestinians. Probably.

[-] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

Grinding Giza to the dust is not what’s being done.

Hyperbole on my part, but not excessive given the post we're discussing this under.

Hamas contribute more by firing uncontrollable missiles that also tend to fall in Gaza.

Patently false. I'll refer you again to the pictures in this article.

But you are implying a reality where every single sane person should ignore the existence and terrorism of hamas and Palestinians.

This is the false dichotomy I referred to in my last comment. Perhaps you should look it up. We can acknowledge the existence of terrorism and respond appropriately without causing a humanitarian crisis.

This is classic American "fucked around and found out" diplomacy. Like a child with a hammer.

[-] rdri@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

We can ... respond appropriately without causing a humanitarian crisis.

Yeah kindly explain how exactly maybe?

If hamas wouldn't use Palestinians as a shield there would be no crisis.

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