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One of the reasons they only teach whitewashed history at school
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Communists accept that violence is often a valid and necessary form of resistance. For example, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the way Bolsheviks used violence. However, what you said above is just pure nonsense rooted in your superficial understanding of the subject.
Having grown up in USSR, I think I understand the practical realities of Marxist-Leninist authority a hell of a lot better than you. I implore you to spend he time actually learn about the subject you're attempting to debate here because all you're doing is just making straw man arguments out of ignorance. You also evidently have no understanding of what Marx actually said.
Sounds like you are surprised when confronted with what somebody who actually lived in a communist country tells you about it. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you think you know more about communism than people who actually experienced it though. That's very American of you.
US has a higher prison population today than USSR did even under Stalin. So, if gulags are bad, then clearly what we see under capitalism is even worse. Meanwhile, not sure what specifically you need to be told about the purges. All revolutions are messy, and require purging the regressive elements.
What's really telling is that people like you always have to reach back to the days right after the revolution to find something to complain about ignoring all the decades of how USSR developed after. You've just memorized a handful of tropes and you regurgitate them thinking that you're making some intelligible points here.
Gulags were abolished in 1960s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag
Maybe if you spent more time educating yourself then you wouldn't keep making a clown of yourself in public.
What part of US has higher prison concentration per capita than USSR ever did are you still struggling with?
What's more, US prison system amounts to literal slave labour. So, if your argument is that communism is bad because USSR had gulags, then it's clear that capitalism is far worse in this regard. The fact that you still haven't addressed this further exposes what an utter clown you are.
Meanwhile, why don't you address the accounts of people imprisoned in US concentration camps on the border, or those of people held in torture camps like Guantanamo. What do you make of those who were arrested? Do you approve or disapprove of the arrests under capitalist rule?
I love how you immediately start screeching whataboutism when faced with your double standards. The fact that you don't understand that you have to hold different systems to the same standard shows that you're an intellectually impoverished person.
Any problems seen under communism are also seen under capitalism, and they're often far worse. That's the context for comparing the systems, is one system creating more problems than the other. Even a child could comprehend that, but evidently you are unable to.
Who gives a shit for what reason US claims it detains all the people for. The fact that it detains by far the highest percentage out of any country is what actually matters. Also, if you think that systemic racism is a better reason to detain people that says a lot about you as a person.
I think that further exposes you either an idiot or a liar because China doesn't have the second largest prison population.
I think that's a loaded question asked in bad faith. I don't think every person detained under communism was detained for a good reason, just the same as I don't think that every person detained under capitalist regimes is detained for a good reason. However, what I do know for a fact is that capitalist regimes detain far more people than communist ones. That's the real elephant in the room that you keep dancing around because you're an intellectually dishonest individual.
I love how this turd edits his comment instead of responding. Also, evidently doesn't understand what per capita means. This is consistently the case with these anti communist types. They're equal parts ignorant and dishonest. All they know how to do is to regurgitate the script they memorized and are completely unable to engage in any meaningful discussion.
I encourage you to spend the same amount of effort you put into your trolling here to educate yourself instead. Let's just look at what communism actually accomplishes. Maybe this could be start of the education you're so woefully in need of.
Russia went from a backwards agrarian society where people travelled by horse and carriage to being the first in space in the span of 40 years. Russia showed incredible growth after the revolution that surpassed the rest of the world:
USSR provided free education to all citizens resulting in literacy rising from 33% to 99.9%:
USSR doubled life expectancy in just 20 years. A newborn child in 1926-27 had a life expectancy of 44.4 years, up from 32.3 years thirty years before. In 1958-59 the life expectancy for newborns went up to 68.6 years. the Semashko system of the USSR increased lifespan by 50% in 20 years. By the 1960's, lifespans in the USSR were comparable to those in the USA:
Quality of nutrition improved after the Soviet revolution, and the last time USSR had a famine was in 1940s. CIA data suggests they ate just as much as Americans after WW2 peroid while having better nutrition:
USSR moved from 58.5-hour work weeks to 41.6 hour work weeks (-0.36 h/yr) between 1913 and 1960:
USSR averaged 22 days of paid leave in 1986 while USA averaged 7.6 in 1996:
In 1987, people in the USSR could retire with pension at 55 (female) and 60 (male) while receiving 50% of their wages at a at minimum. Meanwhile, in USA the average retirement age was 62-67 and the average (not median) retiree household in the USA could expect $48k/yr which comes out to 65% of the 74k average (not median) household income in 2016:
GDP took off after socialism was established and then collapsed with the reintroduction of capitalism:
The Soviet Union had the highest physician/patient ratio in the world. USSR had 42 doctors per 10,000 population compared to 24 in Denmark and Sweden, and 19 in US:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0735675784900482 (sci-hub for access)
USSR defeated a smallpox epidemic in a matter of 19 days https://www.rbth.com/history/331857-how-ussr-defeated-black-smallpox
The Social Consequences of Soviet Immunization Policies https://www.ucis.pitt.edu/nceeer/1997-812-03g-Hoch.pdf
Here are some academic studies on USSR that you can read instead of trolling here
Professor of Economic History, Robert C. Allen, concludes in his study without the 1917 revolution is directly responsible for rapid growth that made the achievements listed above possilbe:
Study demonstrating the steady increase in quality of life during the Soviet period (including under Stalin). Includes the fact that Soviet life expectancy grew faster than any other nation recorded at the time:
A large study using world bank data analyzing the quality of life in Capitalist vs Socialist countries and finds overwhelmingly at similar levels of development with socialism bringing better quality of life:
This study compared capitalist and socialist countries in measures of the physical quality of life (PQL), taking into account the level of economic development.
This study shows that unprecedented mortality crisis struck Eastern Europe during the 1990s, causing around 7 million excess deaths. The first quantitative analysis of the association between deindustrialization and mortality in Eastern Europe.
Finally, we can look at what people who lived under communism feel now that they got a taste of capitalism have to say:
Adult mortality increased enormously in Russia and other countries of the former Soviet Union when the Soviet system collapsed 30 years ago. https://archive.ph/9Z12u
Former Soviet Countries See More Harm From Breakup https://news.gallup.com/poll/166538/former-soviet-countries-harm-breakup.aspx
If you're genuinely curious then you can read chapters 6 and 7 in this book on how Russia transitioned into capitalism https://valleysunderground.files.wordpress.com/2020/04/blackshirts-and-reds-by-michael-parenti.pdf
Meanwhile, the current party is basically controlled opposition. Russia is now ruled by capitalists just the same way as western countries are.
Why do you still pretend that it does when I gave you two separate sources saying that it does not. Do you not understand the concept of per capita perhaps?
This is your idiotic argument, so why don't you tell me.
Show me Soviets who were arrested for making jokes.
Tiny percentage of people left communist countries, meanwhile people who'd love to leave capitalist countries don't have the means to.
You keep on digging there buddy, can't believe you do this clown act for free.
No, Marxism does not advocate violent revolution. I've explained this to you earlier, but due to poor reading comprehension you're still repeating falsehoods here. What Marxism says is that the conditions that capitalism creates ultimately lead to revolutions.
Because conditions aren't right. Again, if you weren't an ignoramus, and actually read about history of revolutions, you'd understand when and why they happen. You can start by reading this book from Ray Dalio who is a very successful capitalist, so can't be accused of being a Marxist.
They did, and I linked you a book discussing this in detail in the comment you're replying to. You obviously didn't read the linked source because you are just a troll and aren't actually interested in answers to the questions you ask in bad faith.
To sum up, you don't actually care about answers to the questions you're asking. You are here to troll and that's just pathetic to be honest.
thanks for once again confirming that you can't read
I've tried answering your questions, and it's pretty clear that you just ignore what I say and keep repeating the same thing over and over. You're just a troll, and I'm not going to waste more time feeding you. If you're genuinely interested, then go and read all the materials and resources I provided you above. Of course, you're not going to do that because you're just here to troll. I do feel sorry for you, hope you get the help you need one day.
All your questions are answered, all you have to do is work on your reading comprehension.
Bye.
I've literally answered this question in detail in several replies. Please work on your reading comprehension.
I already answered this question. Why don't you answer this question, if you have two imperfect systems and one results in less suffering than the other which system is better?
Except there wasn't any arbitrary imprisonment. That's just something you pulled out of your ass and keep repeating. Just like in any system, some people ended up being detained wrongly. It's on you to show proof that more people were systemically than under other systems. It certainly appears that US wrongly detains far more people than USSR ever has.
Plenty of capitalist regimes fall all the time. Using your logic that's sufficient reason to abandon it yes?
Why did vast majority of people not do this?
They didn't, very tiny percentage of people leave communist systems, and it's never to get basic necessities. I guess we've already established that you don't even understand basic concepts like per capita.
No this is just an idiotic thing you keep repeating because you think it's a really clever gotcha. You're clearly ok turning a blind eye to repression under capitalism though since it's the system you keep defending here.
Have you spoken to former detainees under your capitalist regime?
I do, and I almost certainly make more than your dumb ass.
The only person making bad faith argument here is you buddy. Also, if you think that what you're doing here passes for debate I feel sorry for you.
What standards is communism not living up to, you never defined those. This is literally an example of a bad faith argument and goal post moving on your part.
You have shown no such thing here. What goals does communism turns on exactly? You're just stating random nonsense here as fact.
None of the capitalist countries are able to do what USSR or Cuba have done which is ensure that everyone has housing, education, healthcare, jobs, and a retirement. That's just a basic fact of the situation.
It implies no such thing, and if you had basic reading comprehension skills then you'd see that I've explicitly said that it doesn't matter why US claims to arrest people.
This is just a straw man you keep building that has nothing to do with anything I said. Nowhere did I say that USSR didn't imprison people for political reasons. Every country arrests people for political reasons, including western capitalist regimes you're so fond of. Assange is currently being tortured in UK for political reasons, and that's just one example. Again, the question is regarding the rate of incarceration, and here USSR did a lot better than vast majority of capitalist regimes.
The arrests in USSR weren't arbitrary that's just something you made up.
You have yet to demonstrate on what basis you claim the arrests in USSR were any more arbitrary than arrests in western countries are. What made these arrests arbitrary do elaborate.
Why would you lie about something that can be easily googled, you're an utter clown
Calling Russia "a communist country" 😂
I never said Russia today was a communist country. I grew up in USSR before it dissolved.
Even more hilarious!
The only thing that's hilarious here is watching western dimwits give their takes on communism. It's like watching a squirrel give a treatise on quantum mechanics.
Just because you may have read Marx doesn't mean you're a communist
just because you made a straw man doesn't mean you're clever