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Very dishonest click bait. Moderators should clean this stuff up in order to prevent redditification.
Not sure how it is clickbait - it's just the headline is overstating the case by claiming 100%, when it should say 100% of the 10 largest companies - which are responsible for how much of the nation's market of meat and dairy? If it's like just about every other market, a few top players grab up most the market share and set the overall agenda.
Are they top 10 of dairy, meat, or both? What share of the market do they hold in each respective field, and combined fields? It's pretty arbitrary for claiming 100% of. Would you consider the same concept acceptable elsewhere with different subject like..
100% of Rappers and Democrats voted for Kanye in 2020. Top 10 selling rappers and Democrats on Spotify voted for Kanye.
Obviously I made that up... but I think you'd consider it dishonest clickbait.
I did look around earlier and saw that the top 4 companies controlled more than 50% of the market...add in the other six, and that is only going to increase.
https://www.iatp.org/companies-dominating-market-farm-display-case
How do you think that translates to Meat and Dairy market? I'd imagine adding more market, that 50% is going to shrink. Definitely makes that 100% in the title seem a lot click baitier
I agree, which is why we should have a problem with articles that pretend the rest of farmers are the same as them. It just helps them because nobody is left to side with small farms.
I mean, how about this. Did you know that many of the meat and dairy subsidies that people get up-in-arms about are paid as meat- or dairy-specific taxes by farmers, and only the bigger farms reap the benefit?
Those big farms profit from the fact that they and vegans have a common enemy... small meat/dairy farms.
They are 100% of the 10 companies this investigation started with.
Not only is the headline dishonest, but the article tries to maintain the dishonest attitude of the headline. And then, the article doesn't really talk about environment lobbying at all, it talks about why the author thinks people should be vegans.
Large-scale family farms and industrial nonfamily farms account for only 5% of farms, but 63.8% of production (in $). Small-scale family farms represent 89% of U.S. farms, but only 17.8% of production.4
So fight to fix that instead of helping Tyson throw small family farms into the meat grinder.
Nah I'd rather fight to end animal exploitation than help smaller exploiters not get gobbled up by the bigger exploiters.
That's all I was looking for. An admission that this isn't about the environment or about truth, and that you are 100% onboard with lying to get what you want.
You're far more honest than most militant vegans I meet.
Sorry, where did I say any of that? I responded to someone making a sarcastic comment about the study only covering 5% of farms and it reminded me of a relevant statistic, so I shared.
Then you made a comment about how we should fight to fix farming so that smaller farms still have a chance, to which I replied that I don't care about helping to save any farms that exploit animals.
Where, in any of that did I say that I do not care about the truth or that the environment isn't a part of the reason I think that's immoral to eat animals?
Well, for one I'm not a militant vegan, I'm just a fuckin vegan person. For two, I don't believe you meet that many militant vegans unless you're intentionally seeking out interactions with vegans, in which case the fact that you characterize them as militant says less to me about them and more about how you probably made comments similar to the very antagonistic, mischaracterizing, lying comment you just made, attempting to misconstrue arguments because you have some sort of agenda against people who just wanna see less suffering in the world.
But hey, I know that for people like you, you just need reasons to hate vegans, so if pretending that I don't care about truth or the environment helps you paint vegans as annoying bad people in your mind instead of actually considering the moral/ethical implications of your food, I'm happy to help.
After you acknowledged that big farms are in the process of regulatory capture in a way that's causing phenomenal harm, you admitted that you don't care about people maliciously grouping them with smalltime meat and dairy farmers because "Nah I’d rather fight to end animal exploitation than help smaller exploiters ". Your fucking words. You just called a lot of my best friends "exploiter" because you don't like that they farms chickens to pay their bills. If you give a fuck about animals, stop spitting in people's faces. It might surprise you, but we're animals, too.
It doesn't matter to you if small farmers are pro-environment or not. It works for you to put them in the same bucket as a completely unrelated class because you get to try to flush them all down at once for your own personal ethical reasons. And the ethics of everyone else? Well we are subhuman to you.
Honestly, the only exploiters I know are big ag, and militant vegans. So yes, for "people like me" (as you've now categorized me with big evil businesses to), I do hate a certain category. But I don't "hate vegans". I won't make the bad-faith move you just did. I don't hate vegans. I hate when people try to hurt other people, lie and cheat, because they place non-vegans below the animals they fight to protect.