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What is the end game here? Continue to trash gop as chaos party as long as possible and then get Jeffries in as minority speaker? Not sure how they will accomplish that...
I mean in a less dark timeline the republicans would reject extremism and get their shit together around a normal human being for speaker. That they won’t is neither the democrats’ fault nor the democrats’ job to save them from.
Democrat reps do not exist to elect a Republican speaker.
The GOP has been dancing with the devil since the 2009+ Tea Party fiasco. The only thing that's changed is the faces and the lengths they've gone to win.
Also worth mentioning that reaching across the aisle to elect white supremacists and insurrectionists would not be "saving" the GOP from extremists.
What's the alternative? Do nothing and let another bugfuck crazy GQP nutbag run the ~~Senate~~ House?
I'm ok with the Democrats finally finding a spine and making the party of traitors squirm while the whole world sees how fucking stupid and disorganized they are. They made their bed cozying up to the lunatic fringe, and now we get to watch them have some sleepless nights until the donor class lands on them again like they did to McCarthy for the last budget negotiations.
Run the House, not the Senate
Derp, I knew that. Thanks for the correction!
The majority party should have no problem electing their own leader. It’s not the Democrats’ place to run the Republican party for them.
There is no majority party in the House. It might look that way at a glance, since two of the parties operate under the same name, but there are actually three parties in the House right now and none of them have a majority.
The only way to govern in this kind of situation is via a coalition, and as the largest unified party in the House the Democrats should lead that coalition.
If that were true then the centrist Republicans would help the Democrats elect a Democratic speaker. But they want to pretend their party is two parties when it’s convenient and one party when it’s convenient.
Fuck ‘em. Let them sort out their own mess.
I think it's mostly to not have Jordan as speaker, since he's a pretty hardcore extremist, and then to make the Republicans look incompetent, at least until they can find another moderate, fail to elect them, find another moderate, fail to elect them, and then make small concessions to elect the first moderate with the help of a few moderate democrats who just want x y z.
The Democrats end game is to vote for their preferred candidate. The real question is "what is the GOP's end game?" Continue nominating white supremacists and insurrectionists to kowtow to the most extremist bloc of their party, then whining when Democrats don't make up for their inability to whip the necessary votes?
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Is that somehow suggesting something you read into my post? Pretty confused here...you think I'm republican? Lol you have no idea how wrong that logical jump would be, no idea
Force them to propose a moderate willing to make concessions and work across the aisle.
Do they have any moderates left?
I don't know, but they certainly have concessions left.
Yeah, but what concessions have they made recently that they actually followed through with?
None, which is why Democrats aren't helping them.
Republicans will need to offer concessions that they can't later wiggle out of. Kind of like the concessions McCarthy offered to Gaetz.
This will determine it. They do have varying levels of extreme.
The end game is when Republicans realize they cannot elect a Speaker without Democratic votes and offer something meaningful to Democrats in exchange for those votes.