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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by TinyTimmyTokyo@awful.systems to c/sneerclub@awful.systems

Rationalist check-list:

  1. Incorrect use of analogy? Check.
  2. Pseudoscientific nonsense used to make your point seem more profound? Check.
  3. Tortured use of probability estimates? Check.
  4. Over-long description of a point that could just have easily been made in 1 sentence? Check.

This email by SBF is basically one big malapropism.

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[-] sinedpick@awful.systems 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A reminder that Rationalists have absolutely No Fucking Clue what they're talking about when it comes to quantum mechanics, and this is evident from the very top.

Here is their prophet's, Eliezer Yudkowsky's, brilliant writings on QM: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/5vZD32EynD9n94dhr/configurations-and-amplitude

In this stunning vindication of Dunning-Kruger, EY sets up a thought experiment of a photon being ejected at a half-silvered mirror. Then, he realizes that QM is formulated with complex numbers, so he decides to shoehorn them by imagining a "computer program" that computes the result of the experiment and using the complex numbers as the internal state (because he read somewhere that a wave function is a complex-valued function). From there, he goes on to realize that he needs to actually justify the use of complex numbers, so he drops the fact that multiplying the "internal state" by i represents the photon turning 90 degrees (what?! yes, multiplying by i rotates complex numbers by 90 degrees but this has literally nothing to do with the direction the photon travels, what the ACTUAL fuck am I reading?)

I seriously want to pull my hair out after reading this asinine nonsense. MIT OCW's QM course is extremely accessible to anyone with a decent high-school math education but these chucklefucks' need to prove to themselves that they're smart supercedes any process of actual learning.

edit because I can't stop sneering: "wave function collapse" is purely born of the Copenhagen interpretation which EY rails against as ridiculous (which, admittedly, isn't a totally unpopular opinion for real physicists to have). This is, of course, 100% lost on SBF.

[-] dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

How can anyone take a fanfic writer seriously.

[-] maol@awful.systems 10 points 1 year ago

I used to read fanfiction, and by the standards of Harry Potter fanfiction, it's not even good fanfiction.

~~(insert "Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy" joke here)~~

Maybe it's just a matter of taste, but I couldn't get through more than a chapter. I wonder if most of the audience for it were people who didn't normally read fanfiction. Actually, I just looked it up on fanlore to see what fandom people have said about it, and the reviews are mixed....

"I read it longer than I planned to because I kept expecting it to turn into Harry/Draco slash [...] But then I realized the author was just a weird neckbeard who had some kind of strange Draco fixation but was probably not going to make them go gay. Also it was just a really bad fic."

Lots of gold in there. Apparently Eliezer was bullied by a Harry Potter fan forum, to the point that some of the users set up a blog called "Methods of Rationality sucks".

[-] dgerard@awful.systems 9 points 1 year ago

Apparently Eliezer was bullied by a Harry Potter fan forum, to the point that some of the users set up a blog called “Methods of Rationality sucks”.

His reaction was where Sneerclub got its name

[-] gerikson@awful.systems 7 points 1 year ago

That quote has always been mildly amusing but learning it's from a fanfic beef makes it hilarious.

[-] maol@awful.systems 4 points 1 year ago

And people gave this man money. Lots of money. My God.

[-] dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago

It's as if /r/iamverysmart sat down to write it. So clearly it's Eliezer self-inserting himself into a children's book as a Jimmy Neutron wannabe and trying to pass is as a legitimate improvement.

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AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

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