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A Staten Island woman buying pot from a local deli got into a misunderstanding with the cashier — who ended up macing her, dragging​ her outside by her hair, kicking her in the head and mistakenly calling her trans.

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[-] VelvetStorm@lemmy.world 151 points 1 year ago

Is it still a hate crime if they were wrong about the person's identity? Imo it should be.

[-] gavran@lemmy.world 129 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If you committed a crime because of the perception of an individual falling under a protected class, it should qualify as a hate crime. I believe this is considered a bias incident and it is treated as a hate crime in NYC.

[-] quindraco@lemm.ee 36 points 1 year ago

Of course it qualifies as a hate crime. Hate crime legislation is entirely about what you think inside your head as you commit some other crime - hence the word "hate".

[-] Dimpships@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago

Hate with your head, not with your hands,
otherwise you'll be picking from commissary plans.

[-] VelvetStorm@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

That is good to hear. Hopefully this cunt will be in prison for a huge chunk of their life.

[-] CephaloPOTUS@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

So in a conversation about someone commiting a hate crime based on someones genetalia you decide to use a term specifically used to debase people by calling them female genetalia and it seems people even upvote you for it. Great. And you even think you are being supportive.

[-] money_loo@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Don’t be such a cunt.

[-] VelvetStorm@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Ooh la la doth my language offend you so? Please accept my humblest apologies my lord/lady!

[-] braxy29@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

look, it's a word most american women don't hear directed at themselves outside of really hateful or abusive contexts. i have been called "bitch" in the grocery store. i was called "cunt" by my abuser, and only by him.

the person who challenged you has a good point - the use of that word in american culture is intended to be particularly dehumanizing and degrading to women.

compare - if you had used "n..." you would have likely been challenged there as well, regardless of your intent in using that word or your own identity.

[-] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Go back to Facebook.

[-] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

That word is used as a generic colorful adjectives in the UK, and are considered gender-neutral there.

[-] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago

No, no. A cunt has depth and warmth and I don't think the attacker in this case has either.

[-] VelvetStorm@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

This is the best comment I have seen on lemmy so far.

[-] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

One of my standard two comments on the use of that word.

The other one is about the ability to take a pounding.

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 61 points 1 year ago

IIRC NY is a transfer of intent state, that is to say if you intended to kill X person but fucked up and killed Y person instead, you're still guilty of 1st degree murder, because you still intended to do a murder

[-] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 17 points 1 year ago

That's a cool tidbit to know. What did it have to do with this story? Where did the transfer take place?

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 49 points 1 year ago

Man intended to hate crime a trans woman but was wrong about the woman being trans

[-] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 12 points 1 year ago

Thanks, makes sense now

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