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Over 100 Bodies Uncovered in Single Israeli Village After Hamas Massacre
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Entire settlements have been burned to the ground, the population murdered and kidnapped. This will end now, and it will end violently, there is no other way. Hamas is the governing body of the failed autonomous region of gaza and now they will pay the price for starting a war.
Palestinians are going to suffer for what Hamas has started. And doubt very much that the common Palestinian wanted this. However, Israel's bombing of civilian infrastructures in Gaza is only going to perpetuate this violence.
Nobody wins in this conflict. But, it would be a big win for the region if Nethnyahu and his party were removed and replaced with a peace seeking parliament that could turn things around.
Click the linked article and read again what you are defending.
Calling dibs on this for my new prog band. Nobody else gets to take it. On second thought maybe it's a better album title.
Anybody who doesn't agree with me is a tankie 😤
What if they took your home? Or your father's home, your grandfather's? All your families and neighbors? Then put you in MA open area concentration camp, controlled your food, water, electricity and movement, started destroying your sacred places, etc. Natives killed people for that, too.
So.... exactly what they said by saying that they were Native American and living in North America? You're splaining.
The colonists took their ancestor's home as well as everyone of their same culture. Decades later, Americans forced Native Americans to move with the Trail of Tears, and then created half-independent reservations for them. They don't have control over their food nor water nor electricity. And when haven't Americans defiled sacred native places?
Native Americans could decide to overthrow state governments tomorrow and I could not truly fault them if civilians remained safe. I'm of the mind that the US deeply owes natives reparations and aid. While in the past some tribes did take up arms, others decided to adapt. The Seminoles in Florida don't want the football team's native American mascot changed because it is an homage treated with proper respect.
No it's not the same because this just happened and is still happening. That's what I'm saying the difference is. While they both matter, there's a big difference between wrongs that were done to your ancestors, which is what they were talking about, and wrongs that are done to you and family you know personally. You don't know really know until you're in that position. So for those tribes that did take up arms, honestly I don't blame them one bit.
Although obviously I'd probably condemn them if I lived in the same time period and saw them raping people and do the heinous shit Hamas did, from a historical standpoint, I can't judge the natives' armed struggle against the forces of colonialism.
I guess I took the view that ancestor vs direct family wrongs ultimately have the same effect, but I actually disagree with that now, thinking about it more. I get what you mean, from personal experience. An institution fucking over your great great grandfather is different than the institution fucking over your father.
"The only way to achieve piece is the end of Islam as a religion and its people as a culture. There can be no other way to achieve peace with the terrorists." - how you sound right now.
Theres a pretty fucking huge distinction there. Zion != Judaism
That isn't what the person is saying. They're saying peace is impossible unless Israel is dissolved and they all leave.
Not saying you're wrong, but Israel funded those fanatics so the Palestinian peace movement would lose steam. They wanted this to happen.
Why would I point the finger at Hamas? It wouldn't exist if Israel didn't support it while they were taking out people Israel wanted gone.
I feel the same way about al queda, we created it so we don't get to complain.
Officially yes.
Incorrect, netanyahu just didn't hide it very well, bro there's so many times where you have documented accounts of Israel letting Hamas attacks happen and then moving to stop them. It's exactly the same were just father apart.
Hamas could have and would have been exterminated in the 90s if Israel thought it benefitted them very simple, they needed a existential enemy so they made one.
Hm. They actually seem to be kinda right. According to this article and this one, which source Israeli government officials from the time, they helped them since the 80's and basically helped make Hamas a thing. They did it to make the Muslim Brotherhood -based organization which ended up being Hamas and the more secular PLO fight each other, to basically drive a wedge in the Palestinians.
Right?! I wouldn't have believed the other person either if it weren't for sources from pretty reputable news organizations. And it's interesting that basically the same mistakes were made with these two different groups (Israel and Hamas, the US and Al-Queda). I bet it's probably been done more in South America or Africa or something.
EDIT: But for others reading, no, it doesn't make Hamas (or Al-Queda) the good guys. It just means there are multiple bad guys all around. But you can't make me feel bad about being distraught from Hamas killing civilians. There were babies and other innocents in there who never did anything wrong to Palestinians, and rape is a war crime that I can never just look over.
Because they need a predictable boogieman.
What theory, it's objective fact.
I don't disagree with this line, but they are also the victim. The origins of the nationalist movement for a Jewish state came in light of Russian pogroms killing Jews -- a Jewish scholar noted that the only way they could have peace, freedom, and respect seemed to be having a nation of their own.
Israel has absolutely been the oppressor for a lot of the country's history, but it takes some fucking gall to say Israel is the oppressor after Hamas killed and kidnapped civilians. Your logic in fact would suggest Israel has the moral high ground now. The Hamas attack has killed a ton of innocent people, including children.
Tell me, does Hamas have the right to kill Israeli children because the Israeli government killed Palestinian children? If so, does Israel have the right if we reverse the situation?
What the Israeli government has done to Palestinians is a war crime and an atrocity. That does not mean Israel is the villain and Hamas is the good guy. The opposite isn't true either. You're grossly simplifying the conflict and not trying to understand its roots.
It could well be the end of Palestine. I hardly see Netanyahoo stopping until Hamas is completely wiped out. Israel is on a warpath now, and any civilian human shields Hamas tries to put in the way are going to be destroyed as well because Israel DGAF now.
In the end, Israel is going to commit more atrocities than Hamas in total. And by that point there may not be a Palestine left.
I'm worried about how many civilian casualties there will be
from what i know about the Conflict and the current Israeli Government and Military, there will be massive retaliations against the Palestine Populations everywhere ensuring that no Wounds get mended, instead new ones get opened and this conflict continues on forever.
Depends on how far Israel goes. Because no matter how far they go no one will lift a finger to stop them. We will see the hardest of hardliners get a say.
"Settlements." What a cute word for "genocide."
"Settlements". What a cute word for genocide.
"Settlements". What a cute word for genocide.