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Israel formally declared war on Hamas on Sunday, setting the stage for a major military operation in Gaza as fighting rages on Israeli soil. The declaration comes after Hamas, an Islamist militant group, launched a surprise assault this weekend that has so far killed over 600 Israelis.

Saturday was the deadliest day in decades for Israel and came after months of surging violence between Palestinians and Israelis, with the long-running conflict now heading into uncharted and dangerous new territory. Questions remain over how the Israeli military and intelligence apparatus appeared to be caught off guard in one of the country’s worst security failures.

Over 400 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza as Israel responds with airstrikes in the densely-inhabited enclave. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has vowed retaliation, warning his country would take “mighty vengeance” and was readying for “a long and difficult war.”

He urged Palestinians living in Gaza to “leave now.”

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[-] flossdaily@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

... Which was formally stolen from the Jews.

I mean, my support for Israel has nothing to do with ancient history, but if your want to go down that road, you lose pretty spectacularly.

[-] stifle867@programming.dev 40 points 1 year ago

Honestly land should belong to the people who live there, not a religious faction. How can Muslims and Jews, who both have claims to the area, ever live in peace when one religion wants to rule over the other? This is why most civilized countries seperate church and state.

[-] kbotc@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sounds great. When is the appropriate time to claim “The land belongs to those who live there” in this conflict?

[-] Spzi@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

While a great argument at first, it struggles when you consider strategic settling. Russia did so in Crimea and Donbas, Israel does too.

If "land belongs to people who live there" was the decisive law, that would be a strong incentive for genocide and settlers, which we rather want to prevent.

Because of that, I feel the acquisition must not be ignored.

[-] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 5 points 1 year ago

Careful, that logic can easily be used to justify prejudice and bigotry towards native populations.

"We've had this land for hundreds of years, it's ours now; doesn't matter that it's holy to you or that it was taken from you by force, we've been here long enough that it's ours now."

To be clear, I'm not defending Israel; just that the argument that the land should belong to whoever lives there could easily be used to justify an American corporation bulldozing a Native American religious site because the site isn't part of the tribal lands recognized by the US government.

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