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I think this is widespread myth. This has been a heavily populated region for thousands of years, and most of them haven't looked like the last 70.
Also, I think we need to stop talking about Palestine should exist" and start working towards the one-state solution.
Tell the people building a wall to keep the other people caged off about a "one-state" solution.
You can argue "there are good/bad people on both sides" doesn't change that one segment of the population is being treated like a caged dog...
...And then we wonder why the dog bites the hand that feeds it.
Honestly, I'm not sure what your point is, but the One State Solution is the the preferred outcome of most Palestinian youth and most antizionists. Among everyone familiar with the issue on both sides, it's clear that the two state solution is dead, and only exists as an empty phrase to delay the only remaining option which would give Palestinians any civil rights.
https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/palestinian-youth-and-the-futility-of-the-two-state-solution/
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/middle-east/israel-palestine-one-state-solution
https://www.thecairoreview.com/essays/the-case-for-the-one-state-solution/
That's why Israel has been politically divided. The actions of the government don't reflect the populous as a whole. If we went by your logic, all Palestinians would be guilty of war crimes now. Which is as stupid as blaming everything on Israel. Or blaming all Arabs for the Yom Kippur war, and so on.
There's no innocent parties here. If it feels that way, you dont know your history. Judge by actions... condem the crimes of Israel, but don't let that dissuade you from the decrying the incredible war crimes of Hamas and its supporters the past few days.
Israel’s political divisions are no longer divisions over the Palestinian question. Both sides in the last election argued over which one would be tougher on Palestinians. Benny Gantz tried to claim he’d be tougher than Netanyahu because he’s killed Palestinians before. Neither wants Arab Israelis serving in the cabinet or government. The Israeli left wing has withered away over the last 20 years. Those massive street protests in Israel over Netanyahu gutting the courts was about Israelis, nobody brought up how this change would further harm Palestinians. Heck, the outrage was that Israelis would start to be treated “like Palestinians” under rightwing judges.
One state solution?
I agree, let’s abolish Israel.
I'm rewriting this for a third time to try to avoid cursing at you because I want to model the nonviolent communication I want to see more of in these discussions.
Your comment infuriates me because I'm trying to promote what I -- and at this point, I think, the majority of Palestinians under 30 -- see as the only future where Palestinians are able to receive their basic rights. Which is to acknowledge their land as Israeli territory and they as oppressed citizens of Israel and proceed with demands for civil rights from there. And I don't appreciate glib statements in the midst of a tragedy.
Did the Israeli ruling government set this in motion?* Yes.* Do noncombatants on either side deserve to die because of that? No. Fucking no. I'm just not in a joking mood about this.
And to anyone upvoting this: please take that anger and sign up for the mailing list of the US Campaign for Palestinian Rights. Do something useful.