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Double standards or something, I don't know... (lemmy.ml)
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[-] hoshikarakitaridia@sh.itjust.works 188 points 2 years ago

Idk if this is a hot take, but imo the war in Ukraine is pretty clear city while the Palestinian and Israeli conflict his an infinite list of wrinkles and nuances.

It's far less controversial to say the former is Russia's fault than it is to say the latter is either Palestine's or Israel's fault.

[-] Ineocla@lemmy.ml 46 points 2 years ago

Yeah mostly because isreal/ Palestine conflict is much older then russia/Ukraine so a lot of things happened. But at it's very core they both started because of the same claim : russia claimed used to own Ukraine so they want it back. The jews used to own Palestine so they want it back. So if you support Ukraine and isreal you're just a hypocrite

[-] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 40 points 2 years ago

I haven't seen anyone here "support Israel". Almost everyone agrees that the Israeli State is not free of guilt, far from it.

What people really disagree over is whether that alone makes Palestine right (nuanced) and whether it justifies Hamas' actions (unhinged but unfortunately semi-common take on here).

[-] ZapBeebz_@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

I mean, if you go further back than 1947/1948, didn't the Palestinians used to own Israel? Or do we want to go even further back, to about 1200 BCE?

[-] bigFab@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

Palestinian conflict is very simple: an army vs civilians. Only gonna end when all the latter are dead.

Should we ever try to sanction that army? Never! Should we try sanctioning US for killing million iraqis who had not a WMD? No! Should we sanction Nato for bombing the wealthiest african estate libya to it's ruin? Ah wait, WE are Nato. Can't shoot own ankle.

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago

Seems like both armies versus civilians.

There's not many other conflicts where I can remark "two war crimes don't make a right" damn near every time.

[-] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago

Hamas is a militia. They don't have an airforce and whatever else is required to be a military.

I'd urge you to compare the casualties caused by each of the "armies". Hamas is not even a fraction of the concern that Israel is.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago

It's so much better that it's a militia shooting at civilians instead of military

[-] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago

Please do not put words in my mouth that I did not say, I will not entertain that. I am happy to respond to any arguments you make or answer any questions otherwise.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

I'm just saying it's a pretty pointless difference in this case, silly

[-] sevens@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago
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[-] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

No its not that complicated. Israel are straight up shit stains generally speaking. Have been since they immigrated to Jerusalem and then ran a coup with western support. Imagine if Russians showed up in your backyard one day took over your house and then started killing your neighbors. Meanwhile china sitting there going 'looks good to me guys!'

Swap out relative names with jews and usa.

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