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[-] synceDD@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Who and where are these Linux-friendly suppliers? This is already more complicated than windows bud

[-] stevep@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

System76, Tuxedo, Juno come to mind. Even Dell has a Linux range I think.

[-] synceDD@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago
[-] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago

Then you're installing the OS anyways, and with Linux you're skipping the whole "buying a license from a shady reseller" part because there is no payments or license keys involved. And it is much easier to install a friendly distribution like Linux Mint, than to install Windows. The Windows installer looks almost as archaic as the Debian installer.

[-] synceDD@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

why assume I use shady reseller? every big electronics chain sells windows licenses. window installer looking "archaic" ? u advocate for amd too bcs nvidia control panel looks archaic too? zero windows issues mentioned so far

[-] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Point is, shady resellers make you pay 20-30 bucks, official stores make you pay even more, with Linux you pay nothing.

Now onto the Windows issues:

Crazy system requirements. You can bypass them, but the real question is: why do you have to even bother bypassing them in the first place?

Crazy resource usage. You can debloat Windows with something like CTT's winutil, but the resource usage still isn't close to the heaviest Linux desktop (GNOME).

Telemetry aka data collection, also called spying in some circles. You can disable most of it with the aforementioned winutil, but even then you can't be sure that it was all stripped out.

Ads. Again, most, but you can never be sure if all, have been removed with third party tools.

And can I just ask: why do you even have to bother with using extra third party tools to do all that? In Linux, it comes disabled out of the box, and most of it doesn't even exist.

Worse install process. It takes much longer, you have to go through workarounds to ensure you can bypass the forced usage of a Microsoft account. The install and setup process, from booting the iso, to logging into your installed system takes longer on Windows (I've had it take about 30 minutes sometimes, while a typical Linux install would take about 10-15 minutes)

Choice. You don't like the default Windows-like paradigm? How about a MacOS-like one, or a completely unique one? You want something that has very few customisation options (Cinnamon, GNOME), or something extremely customisable (KDE Plasma, Standalone Window Managers like Openbox, AwesomeWM, Qtile etc.)

Customisability. You don't like the default window decorations? Or your bar? You want it to be a floating dock, you want it on one side, or at the top? You want to use a tiling window manager, with their extreme customisability? You can do all that on Linux. There are projects that attempt that on Windows, but they are just gimmicks at the end of the day, because gou can't actually replace the proper Windows shell. Technically, you could do it in the past, but all of these projects are basically dead and none of them offer tiling so....

Freedom. Linux isn't just free as in beer, it is also free as in Freedom. Thousands of volunteers work tirelessly on the various projects that come together to male up your distribution of choice. And most of them do it for free because they like the project and more often than not, because they use it themselves.

Security. Even out of the box, if you are to compare the list of vulnerabilities for Windows and Linux systems, you will find multiple remote code execution, and iirc, privilege escalation vulnerabilities on Windows. This means that if an attacker wanted to, they could execute malicious code as admin remotely, without ever touching the system.

Exclusive features. You might have heard that only in the last few years, Microsoft has started to include things like a decent terminal experience, the winget package manager, full disk encryption, tabs in the file manager, etc. all of which are features that have existed on Linux for years, if not decades. There are some that still keep on making their way on Windows, when they have existed for many years on Linux, such as floating taskbars (which is apparently coming to Windows 12), while some features (like Changing the position of the bar) are actually being removed on Windows!

I'm sure there's more but that's all I can think of, off the top of my head.

Edit: I forgot, No forced updates. Apparently MS is now forcing updates. Link: https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-to-force-push-23h222h2-update-as-windows-11-21h2-end-of-support-date-nears/

No such thing on Linux. There are updates. You want to apply them? Okay, go on. You don't? Okay, that's alright too.

And something else: you don't have to reboot. You only have to reboot on Linux if you are doing a kernel upgrade. If you're upgrading anything else, it's perfectly fine.

[-] synceDD@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

what crazy system requirements i have same motherboard since 2015. win10 supported until 2025, windows makes me change motherboard every decade 😠

every thread i read about gnome people are complaining idk whats going on but its obv not ready yet

why would i want to bypass miccrosoft account i made one with an email in 2 minutes 10 years ago, linux takes 10 minutes less? its ok i install my os once per decade ill take a 10 minute loss

no customization options?I change my taskbar colour, my wallpaper, my starting menu tiles idk what more I need

security issues? as always i dont open random exe and never had viruses

exclusive features? what wrong with terminal i open it and type commands is linux one more luxurious? idc. idk what winget package manager, full disk encryption do never affected me

forced updates, i dont know enough to skip them plus u like security so u should be glad people are up to date right

rebooting system this isnt 2010 i have ssd, sneezing takes me longer, 2-3 restarts per month? whatever

no actual issues, all programs i want are on windows, free is not enough reason to migrate

edit plus ive already paid for my os so i dont earn anything by migrating atm

[-] priapus@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Then build it and install Linux as you would with Windows?

[-] synceDD@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

the argument was troubleshooting linux and apparently the friendly ones are in prebuilts

[-] priapus@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

They were just specifying good prebuilds. The only hardware that would cause problems would be niche proprietary parts on laptops and prebuilds. All custom-builds will work fine the large majority of the time.

[-] cupcakezealot 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] synceDD@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

ive heard fedora was bought by ibm or something now they go close source? ubuntu goes bad too with snaps? debian not for beginners i think and how old does it get? I want stability subscribing is way easier im not 15 anymore

[-] cupcakezealot 3 points 1 year ago

Red Hat is owned by IBM but that's more geared toward enterprise.

Fedora is open source.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/best-linux-desktops-for-beginners/

[-] priapus@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Fedora is not closed source. Snaps don't matter for your average user. Debian is fine for beginners. These distros are all very stable, and none of them are going to make you pay for them when they upgrade.

[-] synceDD@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

ok its open source until red hat says so theyre sold now, ubuntu is at the mercy of canonical's whims too, debian i know it doesnt change for a long time, idk how long until apps break etc. I have no reason to dump microsoft thats already working and my windows programs for a less evil big corp

[-] priapus@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

There are plenty of completely community run distros. I'm not trying to make you switch to Linux, just pointing out that your reasoning wasn't right. If you're comfortable and don't care about FOSS, privacy, ownership of your OS, etc., then Windows is fine.

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