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[-] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 207 points 1 year ago

I mean you could even take the bottom number and leave them with the top number and they could still live in unimaginable luxury forever. Or just take the lot because fuck em lol.

I couldn't imagine spending $1 billion in my entire life, let alone 3-4.

[-] Chriskmee@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago

Most of their billions is ownership in companies they grew into what they are today. It's not like they have billions to spend, it's that their ownership is worth billions according to the market.

[-] TurnItOff_OnAgain@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

True, but that ownership gives them access to very low interest loans that they then use as spending money and don't have to pay taxes on it

https://www.businessinsider.com/american-billionaires-tax-avoidance-income-wealth-borrow-money-propublica-2021-6

[-] Chriskmee@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

So what? We should take away that ownership because they can leverage it? Also the same people suggesting we tax wealth like this want to also close those "loopholes" of low interest loans on shares.

[-] EnmaAi22@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago
[-] Chriskmee@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Yes to taking away wealth or the way to leverage it?

[-] EnmaAi22@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Taking away (extreme) wealth. There's no reason one person should have that much. There's countless better ways to use that money/wealth than for one persons extravagant lifestyle. And even if they don't have an extravagant lifestyle, what are they gonna do with it? Doubt they will build infrastructure out of good will with it.

[-] Chriskmee@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

So take away ownership of a company just because it's too successful? That wealth is mostly in company ownership, so are you really suggesting we steal away legitimate ownership in successful companies?

[-] EnmaAi22@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Yes. Fuck Capitalism.

It's not stealing their legitimate ownership. They don't have legitimate ownership.

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[-] someacnt@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 year ago

I mean, why do we have 'too big to fail" companies? Isn't that counterproductive to having a robust society?

[-] Chriskmee@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

That's how you compete in the world. Imagine for a second if the US didn't bail out the automotive companies, I think Ford would have survived, but that's about it, no more American competition for them. If they also failed, then we might not have any US car companies, how bad would that have been for our society?

Or the banks, could you imagine how screwed we would be if the whole baking system collapsed? Even the small banks were in trouble, it's not a solution to just split them all up.

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[-] TurnItOff_OnAgain@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

No, they can keep them, but those loopholes need to be closed. Maybe don't allow using ownership of a company as collateral for a loan? If you want to use your massive stored wealth as money you need to sell it. You want to get it back buy it. I'm not a finance or policy person, but there has to be a way to make these people pay the propert tax on their wealth.

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[-] MattsAlt@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

They could go to any bank and leverage that asset for a loan for more than everyone who posts on this platform will make in their lifetimes no problem. That is a nonsense talking point

[-] painfulasterisk@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

If they are self-made millionaires/billionaires as they claim, take everything they have/own and tell them to start the quest again, no glitches, DLC, or saved progress.

[-] xenspidey@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 year ago

You all realize they don't have that money laying around to pay the IRS right? They own companies, those companies are worth that much. To pay that you would have to liquidate those companies. So no more Amazon, Tesla, Space X, etc...

[-] alvvayson@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

Don't be a bootlicker or bot or idiot.

When they sell their shares to buy twitter or pay the tax man, those companies still exist. It just means that other people get to buy those shares and that's a good thing, because that way those companies get owned by the public.

Tesla and SpaceX still exist even after Elon overpaid by some $30B for his Twitter adventure.

[-] lukecooperatus@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 year ago

no more Amazon, Tesla, Space X, etc...

Oh no! Anyway, so how can we make this happen, like, yesterday?

[-] Slotos@feddit.nl 8 points 1 year ago

All they’d need to liquidate is part of their ownership in said companies. Companies themselves will be ok, don’t you worry your bleeding heart.

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I highly recommend you to read the paper billionare argument. The market can stand the liquidation of most of those companies without making them go bankrupt, we don't want them to stop existing, just to make them smaller and not a threat to democracy.

For the whole scale of wealth I also recommend going through wealth shown to scale

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No, they'd just need to liquidate their share in those companies. Those shares would then get bought up by other people or by pension funds.

[-] BirdyBoogleBop@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well they are public companies bar space x so. Just redistribute those shares.

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