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Letting people out/off early is a problem. From what I understand, Illinois has eliminated cash bail, which has made crime way worse.
Edit: This site has a huge problem with people being loud about things they know nothing about. I know people who live in Chicago who are an active part of their community and crime has gone up insanely. There are a bunch of emergency meetings about the significant increase in armed robbery and carjackings. Apparently to people on this site, the comfort and feelings of criminals matter more than innocent people who are just trying to get by in their own community.
This obsession with being soft on criminals is so backwards and fucked up. Anyone who defends this is delusional and a threat to a safe society.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/chicagos-crime-problem-is-about-to-get-worse
Oh for Christ's sake. You need to educate yourself. The Illinois law took effect 10 days ago. Crime metrics for that period aren't even available yet. You're just making shit up, and not even convincingly. You can be better than this.
https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/the-illinois-supreme-court-cash-bail-ruling-explained
Educate people who live there and are affected by it? They are living it everyday, sir.
You saw an uptick in crime from people being released without bail last week? Shenanigans. I call shenanigans.
Yes. There are what the citizens are referring to as "armed caravans" driving around and assaulting pedestrians. Police officers have since stopped trying as hard since there are people filing lawsuits against the police, and it's also dangerous for them to be putting violent criminals away who will be out on the street within hours.
If you were a police officer tasked with chasing down and arresting violent criminals, would you risk your life for someone who was going to be released in several hours?
You mean the ones that started in January?
https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/group-canvassing-chicago-caravan-stolen-vehicles-armed-robberies-carjackings
Show me where it's worse this week.
Buddy, my friends and family live in Chicago. Statistics aren't going to convince them one way or another.
So not a single recent news story, or a link to police records showing an increase? Just a "trust me, I know a guy"?
The people who don't trust facts and don't ask for facts are a problem. They are the reason we have antivax. If you are truly friends with those people, maybe work on that with them. It sounds like they need help with reality.
Are you basing this on actual statistics, or Fox News speculation? Because there's so much wrong in that statement I don't know where to start
Fox News is a logical falacy scapegoat for people who wants to disqualify someone else's opinion bc it doesn't align with yours. Everyone tunes out "fascist" and "Fox news" when they hear it. Saying it doesn't silence the opinions or make people's whose opinions do not align with yours go away. Quite the opposite.
I think that qualifies as a "yes I drank it straight from the fake news pipe and didn't do any independent research to figure out whether it was actually true"
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is how I read your comment
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Do you honestly think spending an extra 15 years surrounded by other violent criminals is going to reduce the chance of him re-offending?
Do you even know why people are being let out on parole early in the first place? It's because we've been tougher on crime than any other wealthy nation in the world for the last 50 years, and now we have more prisoners than prison space.
I don't care about them being rehabilitated. I care about keeping dangerous criminals off the streets.
The best way to keep dangerous criminals off the street is to rehabilitate the criminals....... Or better yet, remove the economic environmental conditions that drive people to crime in the first place.
What's your alternative? Are we just throwing anybody who gets in a bar fight in prison for the rest of their lives?
If your idea of "justice" worked America would already be the safest place on earth. Despite America only making up around 4% of the population we house 20% of the global prison population . If you're ideology actually made us safe, don't you think it would have worked by now?
No, but how about we don't let the violent rapist, who diddn't even serve 2/3 of his sentence and who clearly hasn't been reformed out into society?
Okay so you don't want all violent criminals to go to jail for long periods..... just this one? How do you tell a bad guy, from a real bad guy.....?
I do want violent criminals to go to jail for a long time.
Can you point out where I stated otherwise?
The fact that they rape and assault people usually helps in identifying them.
And a man who gets in a drunken bar fight is not being violent or doing a crime?
When I asked if a drunk bar fight should land you in a jail cell forever, You said no.
So we established that it's not the assault, as a bar fight involves criminally assaulting someone..... so your argument hinges on rape alone?
So it is of your opinion that any woman who accuses a man of ignoring consent he should be jailed indefinitely?
I think there's an ever so slight difference between punching someone in a bar fight, and murdering someone in cold blood.
Yep, because you shouldn't go to jail forever.
Long time != forever.
Nope, it also hinges on violent assault too. We didn't establish anything, you misread my comment and decided to go off of your own wrong interpretation.
Has the man been convicted of violent rape? Yes? Then yes!
Which "economic environmental conditions" lead to rape?
Social instability, economic instability, lack of mental and physical healthcare, and a historic lack of agency for women.
If that's you're reasoning, why even bother locking them up? Why not argue to execute all criminals, if your only desire is too keep all those dangerous convicts out of society for as long as possible?
Might've taken this in good faith had I not checked your comment history to see you insisting all drag queens are a danger to children, so let's just dress you down and block you real quick, mkay?
The point has been made in another reply to the initial comment that rehabilitation would still yield better results than incarceration for keeping the "people on the street" safe, as the only way incarceration is able to lower the number of "dangerous convicts" is by putting them in a cell for life. When rehabilitation is successful, the number of "dangerous criminals" can actually go down in a way that does not deprive those individuals from seeing trees for the rest of their lives.
Additionally, convicts absolutely can and do hurt people in prison, the people hurt just happen to be other convicts, not to mention the violence they often face from the people who run the place, who have a tendency to enter the field of incarceration with authoritarian personality types and the intent of mistreating or exploiting prisoners. All this disregarded, despite the fact that you acknowledge the possibility that some of those who end up in these facilities are innocents - the only category of person you are supposedly interested in protecting is not protected in these institutions as they currently exist.
There's much more I could say about prisons to make this point, but what I'm saying is that prisons do not provide a neutral experience, they are not just people sitting in empty rooms experiencing nothing - they are places that generally leave people more damaged than when they came in, and often inflict that damage for years, in some cases for something as victimless as a marijuana charge. Thus, while rehabilitation has the potential to concretely improve society and the lives of people (y'know, the thing convicts are), incarceration as it currently exists can only hurt people and send them back out into society worse off than they were before. The only argument for it is to insist it is justified for doing so, by inventing a dynamic where "they," strangers placed into prison, ALL present a danger to "us," the "people on the street," that they either cannot be fixed or we should not bother, and that whatever they get, they deserve. Maybe you can convince someone that's true for a convicted rapist, but I think you'd have a harder time when it comes to victims of addiction, poverty, and/or an imperfect justice system.
What are your thoughts on how to actually prevent crime? What is your plan for the victims? What should happen with the people who have been tortured, raped or killed by the criminals you care so much about? What about the children, parents, friends, loved ones of the victims?
Going through someone's post history is admitting defeat. No one is going to read a paragraph of illogical nonsense about defending criminals.
Get a job.
What is your plan on how to protect victims?
Someone who tortures (including rape) or kills other people should not be allowed back into society, in my opinion. We can't just continue to tell all the victims "Ah well, shit happens!"
That is a more specific stance than "all violent criminal" that op claimed. And if we had a perfect Justice system that could accurately determine guilt with absolute certainty, I would be more likely to agree with you.
However, our penal system has been utilized as weapon to oppression minority and political oppression for around 150 years now, and an indefinite sentence is simply a a worse slower execution.
Dumbest comment I've read today.
It doesn't follow your narrative, of course you're butthurt by it. Dunno why it's so popular to defend criminals nowadays but definitely shows the flawed mentality that's so pervasive
What narrative? The entire idea of a rehabilitation based penal system has been native to the American justice system since we built our first prison.
Your narrative is a modern neocon revision of historical fact. It doesn't follow a logic, it's just an attempt to utilize the power of the state against anyone you hold prejudice against.
No one is defending individual criminals, were defending the American people. When you strip the rights away from fellow americans, you are stripping away your own rights.
Let's say hypothetically you pass a bill that throws dangerous criminals away forever. What stops you from being labeled a dangerous criminal?
Says the boy who thinks that keeping people in prison longer makes them less dangerous.....
Bro, you're defending criminals. I'm not having a discussion with you because there's none to be had. Just by defending criminals you tell me all I need to know about your opinions.
Lol, and you're promoting endless incarceration....... something unequivocally worse then defending criminal.
Your not having a discussion because you don't have any original thoughts on the subject. You're just regurgitating fascist propaganda.
I'm defending being a citizen who does not engage in violence, theft or crime in general. I absolutely think prioritizing those people's needs should be prioritized over those who engage in those acts. Why is defending that class of citizen so bad?
Incarceration is inherently an act of violence. Subjecting someone to undue imprisonment is enacting more violence upon someone then an assault or any theft.
They are the same people...... rehabilitating people who engage in violent crime is done for the benefit of society, not the prisoner.
Because thats not a class of people? Every class of people engage with criminal behavior, it's just the poor who can't afford to buy "justice".
Your problem is that you think criminal behavior is a product of self discipline or morality, when in reality it is a product of environment and circumstance. Your naive beliefs inhibits the very possibility that people can change or be rehabilitated. Tbh everything you've said just sounds like a thinly veiled dog whistle.
How are you helping the victims?
How are any of us helping victims? Are we talking about individually? If so, Im a healthcare worker at a children's hospital. I am all too familiar with the needs of the abused.
If we are talking about how we can help as a citizen, what policies we could enact that would help? I honestly don't think sequestering violent people away to an even more violent environment is going to be helpful in reducing violence.
Antisocial and violent behavior is learned behavior, these people are conditioned by their local environment and interpersonal relationships to believe that violence is a tool of command.
To actually reduce and prevent things like rape we need to reshape the environments of the most impoverished populations. We also need to pay attention the the mental well-being of our younger population, regardless to class or creed.
Sorry man, defending the perpetrators of violent crimes is clearly more important the defending the victims. /s
Because a lot of the people here never were the victim of a crime and think they never will be. Crime is something that happens "to others". Especially sex crimes like rape is something people here feel especially apologetic for. Those poor rapists... I wonder why that is.