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Everyone. Everyone should.
You're breaking the fourth tenet my friend, but I forgive you because I know you just want what you think is best for people.
Not everybody should be a vegan. There's plenty to gain from eating meats and vegetables, and humans evolved to be capable of eating both. Some day in the future I hope meat is replaced with either fully synthetic or lab -growth meats simply because I don't think any living creature should have to live the way food animals (I forget the word) do currently. But for now I will continue eating meat because I am just one man and meat is very tasty.
You're breaking the first tenet my friend but luckely this is not about salvation but about the path everyone takes. I would like a world where we show compassion to all around us (that includes animals) and ourselves. I wont try to convince you here because convincing yourself is not something i can do. There is no need to tell me your reasons for consuming animals because you do not have to justify your actions before me. But are not really talking to me, are you? Seems more like you are convincing yourself why you will continue to do what you are.
I agree that hopefully one day we will have lab grown meat because people are very bad at change (that includes me, it is kind of a "miracle" that i stopped this one thing). It is the only way for people to not change anything and still stop the animal abuse.
I feel like you didn't really read what I said. I eat meat because I like it. I have no desire to go out of my way to not eat meat. If I don't feel like eating meat with a meal then I won't. I have no internal struggle or "convincing myself that it's ok". I despise the way food animals are treated, like they're not even living creatures, but I feel no guilt in eating the end result.
Frankly you have no right to make such assumptions about my character. You have no idea of my situation any more than I have of yours. If you can be a vegan and be happy, good! I'm happy for you. But I am not a vegan, and I am also happy. Saying "Everybody should be a vegan" is no different than saying "Everybody should run a mile every day". Sure it's a generally beneficial lifestyle, but it's just that: a lifestyle, and it's not for everybody.
To get this right, your entire argument for continuing to fund the horrors that are inflicted on animals is: I like meat?
No, my argument for continuing to eat meat is "I like meat". I haven't made any statements about my eating meat funding the animal-murder machine because we're not talking about that, we're talking about how "everybody should be a vegan".
Once again you haven't really read what I said. But this time I'm not going to explain myself except to again say: you don't know me, you don't know my situation, you don't know my station in life. You have no right to place these single-minded assumptions upon me.
Edit: you're not the person I responded to initially, but my point still stands.
Edit2: Ah, I see you're the one who started this thread.
Hey man, I am not the same person and I have just asked you a question trying to understand your position.
Ok, so are you saying that the meat you eat does not include funding the murder of animals?
My statement wasn't "everybody should go vegan" my statement was that if you hold these tenets that you should go vegan.
You are attempting to get me to admit that the meat I eat is from the same factories that torture animals as an admission of guilt. I am not guilty, and I do not feel guilty, because unfortunately that isn't how our society/economy works. I eat what is available and easily accessible to me just like millions of others. And like many of those millions of others, I just so happen to like meat. So yes, I fund the torture of animals, but I am as guilty of funding the torture of animals as someone purchasing an item on Amazon is of funding the torture of warehouse workers.
Just like everyone else, I live my life as best as I am able within my own capacity. I'm glad that you have the capacity to not fund the companies that treat animals so horribly. Someone needs to, and I hope that we can do away with them entirely at some point. But I do not have the capacity for that fight in my life right now, and I am not ashamed of that because I'm doing the best I can with what I have.
Well, I am not trying to make you feel guilty. I think that is your own conscience that you are projecting onto me. I am still just trying to understand your position. But I think I got it now....
So what it comes down to is: you like meat, just like billions of other people and, yes that means you fund the torture and murder of animals, but so do all the other billions of people. Besides you say, there are so many other injustices in the world that we are perhaps funding, for example amazon workers who are mistreated, so you don't feel really responsible, because the system is just kind of fucked. Is this a fair assessment?
Dude, I've had enough, get your jollies elsewhere.
Haha, what the fuck man. I wanted to hear you out, but it seems you're suffering from such a strong case of cognitive dissonance that even just trying to understand your position by repeating back to you what you said makes you all upset.
Gaslight all you want, it won't help your cause.
I know who I am, I know what I'm about. It's you that seems to have a problem.
Gaslight? You told me:
Isn't that pretty much exactly what I repeated back to you?
Yep, it sure is compassionate to do what we are doing to animals because we like it.