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65% of U.S. adults say the way the president is elected should be changed so that the winner of the popular vote nationwide wins the presidency.

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[-] KillAllPoorPeople@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The "founding fathers" would be against the electoral college today too. The electoral college was an idea to try to get the people to directly vote for the president.

[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

The electoral college was necessary because it would have been logistically impossible for people living in 18th and 19th century America to be able to participate in a single-day one person one vote election, given their level of technology at the time.

We live in the 21st century. We have instantaneous means of communication via the internet making designating an elector to travel to Washington unnecessary, a greatly expanded infrastructure via roads and mass transit for people to travel to polling places in a reasonable amount of time in a day, computers that can tally the ballots many hundreds of times faster than a human being can, and vastly expanded capacity for handling the logistics of running a nationwide election including a complex bureaucracy dedicated to oversight and enforcement of voting laws and regulations.

The electoral college is an archaic system whose only purpose has been completely supplanted by modern technology. Any notion of rogue electors defending the republic from authoritarians and populists is not only historically false, but given the fact that they failed to prevent exactly that situation from happening once already, laughably ineffective.

[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The electoral college was necessary because it would have been logistically impossible for people living in 18th and 19th century America to be able to participate in a single-day one person one vote election, given their level of technology at the time.

That had nothing to do with it. It would have been extremely easy for people in each state to count the votes for that state, then bring those vote totals to the capital where those state-totals are added together to get the final country-wide count. The problem is that that kind of simple, one-person one-vote system means that each vote would be weighted equally, and in some states there was a large portion of the population that couldn't vote but the state's decision-makers still wanted that portion to affect how much say that state had in choosing the President.

So basically, the Electoral College is there because of slavery.

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

Also, there have been times where electors got the names wrong lol. Imagine losing because somebody put your name wrong. I mean I guess there's precedent for the supreme Court picking a winner already. God I hate this country.

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

The electoral college exists because the founding fathers didn't want normal people voting for president. The whole point is to isolate people from directly choosing a president.

[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago

There was also the little problem of logistics back then.

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Which is why there's still a ton of delay in the process. There's about a month between voting for electors and them voting, and several months before the president was inaugurated.

[-] AnalogyAddict@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

And it worked better before information was so easy to obtain.

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