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India suspends ‘all categories’ of visas for Canada citizens amid diplomatic row
(www.independent.co.uk)
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That's what India wants....
They want to stop the brain drain their country is experiencing. If they outright forbid their citizens from emigrating, then they're obviously the bad guys.
If they can make other countries stop Indians from immigrating, the. It Stokes the "us against the world" sentiment that far authoritarian goverments need to stay in power.
The absolute worst thing any country can do to India, is open up for refugees from there. People would be throwing out their Indian citizenship left and right
You need those immigrants to work the low wages you won't. The problem is all the frderal governments that have stopped building social housing twenty years ago. A deficit of millions of low cost units is there problem, not new people in the country.
Blame your concerned conservative and liberal leaders for the last twenty years, not the brown skinned guy trying to feed his kids.
Or, to put it another way: shitty corps and their govt lackeys need those pliable immigrants to work for the underpaid and abusive jobs that Canadians won't, rather than fixing the pay and working conditions
Ding ding ding
Am I crazy or is that not exactly what the comment you replied to did? I didn't see any racism or blame against Indians, it was entirely blaming the Canadian government for their immigration policies. I don't know that I agree with the OP you replied to, but we should be able to have this conversation without devolving into "well you're racist"
I'd be interested to see some stats on average wages of Indian immigrants if you have any. There are a ton of Indians in my industry (tech) and they are very skilled and make very good wages. Imo they're a valuable asset to my industry and I don't believe they bring the average salaries down, but I don't agree with the mindset that every immigrant is working at Tim Hortons or something.
While this thread is about India, immigrants come from all over the world. Some work IT, some work health care, many work the service industry, many drive trucks, many clean buildings, many work on farms, and so on.
Yes, this thread is about India, hence why I said:
Your response is goalpost moving and hand wavy.
The problem is that bringing in TFW’s to work at Tim Hortons allows the shitty food chain to keep their wages artificially low.
So stop shopping there, don't support the bullshit. Start talking to the workers about unionizing.
Rich people are fucking you over. They'll do whatever they can get away with. And they're successfully convincing people that people that don't look like you are the problem.
Don't kid yourself, they can raise wages plety without affecting the price of your coffee, but they won't touch their profit margin so the extra cost gets passed to the consumer.
Agreed.
And I don’t. Haven’t been to Tim Hortons more than twice in the last 6 years.
I’m with you.
Totally agree with the sentiment, but if I were to boycott everything I disagree with I'd be a hermit living in the woods... actually that doesn't sound terrible
We'll fix our problems when we realize it's supposed to be class warfare, not racism.
The people trying to feed the kids are not the source of our problems, it's the white people who made government policies that are fucking everyone who isn't rich.
That's a rich comment coming from someone who immediately assumed that brown foreign people must be low wage workers.
Please provide a link of me making a claim like you suggest. If someone here is making immediate assumptions, it's not me. I suggest that you have misinterpreted my words.
Gee if no one is working for those low wages, the solution is for wages to rise not to bring in more workers to sustain poverty wages.
You'd think so, but the people that own the land and equipment also spend money on politicians that keep that kind of policy from passing into law.
I'll bet you're baffled as to why people call you racist too.
I’m not saying you’re wrong but I’d love to know why there are so many more homeless people and intersection beggars in my city than I’ve seen in almost 40 years, if that’s true.
This wasn’t meant to be related to the post we are commenting on, just a casual observation/question.
Edit: I ask a question and get downvotes. You people are fucking hopeless.
The last 40 years you say?
(this is the US but we're heavily influenced by them. I doubt ours is any different)
lol
Canada, without immigration, has a replacement of 1.4. This means that for every 2 Canadian adults only 1.4 are produced. This is a NEGATIVE replacement rate. A rate of 2.1 is consider minimum viable.
It really isn't.
Without immigrants Canada would eventually cease to have a population and disappear as a nation.
India seems to be one of their biggest sources of immigrants. Looks like they hoover up tech workers.
Likely works in Canada's favour to not do the same.
India is the world’s biggest source of immigrants.
It's got 1/8 (well 3/16) of the population. Not surprising.
what is the difference between expats and immigrants?
There is none. Expats are immigrants that don't like to be associated with immigrants from poorer countries.
Not sure if this is a serious question or not.
There is no difference between an expat and an immigrant. It's a term white people like to use to avoid calling themselves immigrants, because in their mind that's a term reserved for brown people..
Edit: I am a white btw
Expats are what white people call themselves because they think "immigrants" sounds low class. There is no difference. You mostly see it from American and Western Europeans when they move abroad.
@Neato @MicroWave @Touching_Grass @Lmaydev @Art3sian @ruford1976 (paraphrasing a tweet from years ago here) White people also coined the term “microdosing” because “taking drugs” sounds a bit too scummy.
microdosing [ˈmīkrōˌdōsiNG] NOUN
It's a method currently being used to test very small doses of psychedelics, to see the effects on mental disorders.
Expats move to where cost of living is cheaper so they can retire early.
Immigrants move to where it's higher in search of jobs.
People argue it's the same thing so they should be called the same thing, but if it's for two different reasons, it makes sense there's two different words for it.
There's no difference. Both are moving elsewhere (immigrating) to increase their quality of life.
If you strip the context to its most basic form then yeah they’re both moving somewhere to nebulously increase their quality of life. Much like elevators and stairs are the same thing because they’re infrastructure that allows you to reach floors in a building that aren’t ground level.
I don't agree with that comparison. Expats and immigrants are doing the same thing. For different reasons sure, but the way they do it is the about the same. Imo people like to call themselves expats because they don't wanna be associated with other immigrants.
You have a bunch of wrong answers.
Expats intend to go back to their home country after some time.
Immigrants intend to stay at their destination country.
Granted the term is misused by white people who want to call themselves expats instead of calling themselves immigrants.
Immigrants intend to become citizens of their new country. Expats work there under temporary residence conditions and return home or to their next posting when done.
An expat is a person who resides abroad for work for a fixed period and intents to move back home once their contract has ended. However the term expats is used by high educated immigrants who don’t want to be called immigrants especially white people.