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ProPublica released a new report on Friday detailing Justice Clarence Thomas’ close relationship with the Koch brothers with previously undisclosed and extraordinarily damning new details.

According to ProPublica, the justice developed a friendship with the Kochs as they were funneling hundreds of millions of dollars into right-wing causes, many of which ended up before the Supreme Court. The brothers then used Thomas to raise money for their sprawling network, inviting him to speak at “donor events” that brought in millions of dollars.

He disclosed none of these activities on his annual disclosure forms, an obvious violation of federal ethics law.

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[-] Armen12@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

You people make it sound like Thomas is somehow responsible for the slew of right-wing decisions of the court and not the fact that trump got 3 judges in there

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 83 points 1 year ago

They are both problems, but if blatant corruption concerns you less than which way they naturally lean, you might be a partisan moron.

[-] Armen12@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

The republicans aren't calling for him to step down so this is partisan politics, not an actual call for ethics reform.

[-] Bearigator@ttrpg.network 44 points 1 year ago

That is because one party at least tries to be ethical most of the time and the other doesn't even have the courtesy to pretend. Ethics shouldn't be a party issue but here we are.

[-] Armen12@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Both parties have a multitude of sketchy relationships, and a shady past. Manchins a democrat and he's the biggest sellout for Big Oil

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jul/20/joe-manchin-big-oil-democratic-senator

[-] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 1 year ago

And yet one side is clearly worse than the other

Nobody's falling for your crap here

[-] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

A little secret: he ain't a Democrat. He just said so because the old folks in his State remember when their grandparents voted Democrat.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.ml 52 points 1 year ago

Anti-corruption should be bipartisan.

[-] darq@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago

But it isn't. Conservatives aren't interested in democracy, they're interested in winning. So act accordingly.

[-] Nougat@kbin.social 33 points 1 year ago

Clarence Thomas has been a skeevy moron for a loooong time. Of course Trump's three appointments are why certain cases are getting pushed to SCOTUS, and why they're being ruled on the way they are, and I don't think anyone is trying to put that on Thomas alone.

The court has shifted hard right, and Thomas is corrupt.

[-] Armen12@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Did I say he wasn't? The fact that he's being targeted alone is the issue I have, there's 0 articles posted here talking about any other judge

[-] venorathebarbarian@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Oh shit, do you have evidence of other justices engaging in a similar level of corruption?? I'm very interested to see any articles or evidence you have to that effect.

Otherwise engage with the topic at hand, which is Thomas and the Koch brothers.

[-] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Well, Scalia, Roberts, and Alito have some stank on them, but one is dead, and the other two were smart enough to cover their tracks better. Kavanaugh had hundreds of thousands of dollars in gambling debt magically disappear before he was seated. I wonder if "whoever" paid that off wants something in return...

[-] venorathebarbarian@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

None of those rise to the rank of "wHy aReN't wE tAlKiNg aBoUt ThEm?? though. The crimes or corruption of a dead guy, and Kavanaugh whose corruption was widely discussed before and during and after his confirmation, don't warrant changing the topic away from crimes and corruption freshly unearthed about Thomas.

Dude was being distracting on purpose.

[-] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

What are you talking about? Who is changing the topic? I'm saying ALL of the conservative Justices are as corrupt as Thomas. The Heritage Foundation, which is heavily connected to Koch, pushed Barrett, Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh. They're ALL bought and paid for.

[-] venorathebarbarian@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Did I say he wasn't? The fact that he's being targeted alone is the issue I have, there's 0 articles posted here talking about any other judge

This is the comment I had a problem with, not yours. Thomas isn't being "targeted" , he's having huge scandals break. He isn't being targeted alone the scandals of his peers have broken years ago (the ones that have broken thus far anyway, I'm sure there's more we don't know about yet). And those scandals were widely discussed at the time they broke.

Why would there be current articles about the other justices when we don't have current scandals for them? That's why I say the dude (not you, you're good) was trying to change the topic.

[-] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You are wrong, and you're doubling down because you know you're wrong. Bad habit.

[-] venorathebarbarian@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I'm wrong in thinking that vaguely asking for articles about other justices instead of engaging with the current discussion of a specific justice whose scandal just broke is distracting? How?

And why are you and I fighting about this? You're not even the guy I called out for being distracting. I don't have beef with you.

And btw, I'm doubling down because I know that I'm right. When I know I'm wrong I just admit it, like an adult.

[-] Nougat@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

I've seen Alito come up a time or two, especially in the context of his insistence that there are no checks on the judicial branch. But he's been in some comprimising ethical situations like Thomas has, too.

People are only able to post here about news that is reported. The dominos are falling fast on Thomas. I'd bet that there is some kind of investigation already going on into Thomas' and other SCOTUS justices around unethical payments, and that so much is being discovered about Thomas that the presumed investigation will become public quite soon. The other justices? Maybe they're being looked at very closely, too, but their dominos aren't falling as fast.

We don't know exactly why so many details about Thomas' receiving payments under the table are reaching the media to be reported on, but somebody is digging, and they're digging like it's their job, because it very likely is. There's a lot that is not publicly known, so quit acting like randos on the internet should be posting news stories that don't exist. Or if they do exist, post them your fucking self.

[-] fiah@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 1 year ago

it's almost like having appointed supreme court judges without term limits is a colossally bad idea

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Like many things, the core concept was good for the time.. To try to insulate the court from unstable politics and presidential whims, in the interests of a stable legal system that doesnt have to be afraid of being replaced when they displease the president.

its just no one had the foresight to see that one side would betray the country 200 years in the future and turn the court into a corrupt, bought and paid for factory from which the undermining and destruction of democracy could be launched.

The Supreme Court was thrown into chaos because republicans refused to appoint any justices under Obama (Edit. I neglected to specify in his last year, Thanks to the next poster for pointing that out), This giving them more than enough picks under their guy to permanantly damage the court and skew it forever in their favor short of radical action.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The Supreme Court was thrown into chaos because republicans refused to appoint any justices under Obama

Now, now, Obama DID get Sotomayor and Kagan. McConnell only blocked Merrick Garland.

That being said, in my lifetime, Democratic Presidents have only put FIVE members on the court, Republicans got 15. Carter is the one who drew a blank.

Nixon/Ford got as many in their two terms as all the Democrats since then COMBINED.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/members_text.aspx

Ginsburg, Ruth Bader - Clinton
Breyer, Stephen G. - Clinton
Sotomayor, Sonia - Obama
Kagan, Elena - Obama
Jackson, Ketanji Brown - Biden

Burger, Warren Earl - Nixon
Blackmun, Harry A. - Nixon
Powell, Lewis F., Jr. - Nixon
Rehnquist, William H. - Nixon
Stevens, John Paul - Ford
O'Connor, Sandra Day - Reagan
Scalia, Antonin - Reagan
Kennedy, Anthony M. - Reagan
Souter, David H. - Bush, G. H. W.
Thomas, Clarence - Bush, G. H. W.
Roberts, John G., Jr. - Bush, G. W.
Alito, Samuel A., Jr. - Bush, G. W.
Gorsuch, Neil M. - Trump
Kavanaugh, Brett M. - Trump
Barrett, Amy Coney - Trump

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Now, now, Obama DID get Sotomayor and Kagan. McConnell only blocked Merrick Garland.

You are right. I forgot to specify in his last year, that is entirely on me.

[-] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

I don't think "in his last year" matters. That's some calvinball nonsense McConnell pulled out of his ass to justify grinding the function of his branch of government to a halt and everyone just... went along with it. The year isn't what mattered, what mattered was that Obama was a black Democratic president and McConnell thought he could get away with it.

[-] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

"The Founders" (I hate that term) were trusting everyone would act in good faith, and be of good moral character. They were very mistaken.

[-] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

But if God didn't want them to be there, they wouldn't be. And we all know God doesn't make mistakes, and knows best, don't we? 'Murica! What Index Fund Would Jeebus Use?

[-] chaogomu@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

A lot of the shit Thomas has slipped into his writing over the years has been used to justify the worst parts of the recent terms.

Thomas is the most right-wing of the current justices, so much so that he has actually (partially) dissented when the other right-wingers don't go far enough for his tastes.

One of the others will write something, and he'll come in with a concurrence and try to take it so much further, and he does it every single time he's not given the majority opinion.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

So you're saying keep Thomas on the court because he's done such a good job?

[-] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

You can thank Muck McGoon for that.

[-] JoBo@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago

Whare are yoi getting that from?

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